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At 130, with a 9?

Pure, unadulterated, dumbazz luck... by a pure dumbazz...

ain't 9mm a Rebel Sniper cartridge?

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well, all I can say is that my BS meter is about pegged with this one.
I have mentioned before, my disdane of dog hunters. They are without a doubt, the worst sportsmen, and biggest butt heads I have ever encountered.

That, and I'd REALLY like to see this fella put one into a pie plate, offhand, at a measured 130 yards, with a 9mm.

it is no more unrealistic than deer hunting at 1000 yds.

I'm not defending the guy by any means, but I say the shot (pie plate @ 130) is doable. I'd most certainly take that shot at someone bent on doing me harm, but not at an unwounded deer.

Oh really?

I'd wager one helluva lot more that I could dial dope correctly on a HB, properly set-up, prone supported rifle at 1K than I could guess and spray in a couple of hits via a 9 at 130.

BT/DT, and I qual'd expert at 500 meters with an M-16A2 and with the service 9.

Between the two, and the two ranges, there's one HELLUVA lot of difference.

Different strokes I suppose (chasing deer with dogs).....however, not mine by a mile.

Was obvious from the get-go that his use of the 9 was not going to sit well with the majority...me included. The range....added more disgust. But when he said, ".... and you (who) think that are full of jealousy...", that doesn't sit very well with me and tells me alot about this guy.

Jealous of what? Him? His irresponsible decision?

Priorities are all wrong....as was his decision to ever unholster his sidearm.

It is what it is, which is a guy taking a shot at a deer with the weapon he has on hand. That is dog hunting. You or I may not like it, but bottom line, it is a guy shooting at an animal with a legal weapon during a legal season.

Most of the guys on this board would think that a lot of the shots guys take while dog hunting are unethical. I've seen some amazing shots. I've seen running deer killed at 250 to 300 yards with open sighted 30-30s. I've seen running deer killed at over 100 yards with shotguns. It is a different type of hunting with different rules. Heck, we even had a debate on this board awhile back as to whether it was even ethical to shoot at a running deer. Trust me, that is not a concern with dog hunters.

That'd be a fun bet - a pie plate @ 1000 for you with an AR and me at 130 with a pistol, most hits out of 10 wins. I don't have a 9 at the moment, could I use a 4'' M66 shooting .38 Specials? Ballistics are basically same/same.

Joe that does bring to mind an incident from my youth. I was out with some dog hunters, more to actually try the sport than to get in with them.
I took a shot at a running buck, and he was probably 75 yards off, heading lickity split across a clear cut. Must have been a dozen hounds of one type or another on his trail.
My shot with a 7mm Mauser bolt gun took off one of his antlers. Boy was the lead guy pissed. I ruined his best ever deer head. They did not invite me back.

I'm willing to bet that they wound and loose more deer than they drop...


SS

SInce this is way off topic, its much easier to hit a target with a 9mm at 130 than a rifle at 1000. I"ve done both basically. 1000 for sure and have shot pistols a bunch at 100 where hitting a 9 inch type paper plate is actually pretty easy. I can keep most all my shots inside 6 inches one handed free hand at 50 yards so given both hands and a rest, the plate would be much easier than trying to guess range at 1000, especially with an AR, and then try to dope the wind and all its associated shimmers to 1000 and get the hits right. 1000 is really tough.

Now as for the fool that shot a deer with a 9mm at 130. Well thats a [email]dmn[/email] fool is all.

Jeff

Uhhh....dogs have pretty good noses. Wounded deer aren't that big of a problem. As long as the dogs keep running the deer, somebody will get him eventually. They probably lose fewer deer than those wounded by plain old 'ethical' stand hunters.

Since the dogs do all the "hunting", why don't they call their activity "Deer Roundups" with a deer being killed in the end. Essentially, that's all it is from the descriptions I've heard so far.

There seems to be little, IF ANY, hunting being done at all. Those dogs are burning up the calories I expect many of those "hunters" should be more concerned about.

Don't knock it until you try it. Shooting a running deer that knows it is being hunted as soon as it hears the dog box open up, is a lot more sporting to some people than shooting an unsuspecting cervid placidly munching on a food plot or checking its watch waiting for a feeder to go off.

Michael

The demarcation line is easily drawn on this one I think. You either care for the style of hunting or you don't. A kind of "to each his own sort of thing". As Joe points out,it's a legal hunting option.As others point out, it's a disgusting and, perhaps unethical manner in which to hunt. Where can we go from there?

Ummm . . . .

Guys, lets get back to the orignal post.

Shooting a deer with your 9mm because you forgot your rifle is sloppy at best. This is a guy who just took a wild ass shot out of impatience. Nothing more.

In contrast, Elmer Keith took shots at very long range with a handgun, but: (1) he needed the meat to survive -- these were depression era shots of opportunity; and (2) he had a good 100,000 rounds of practice under his belt.

The 500 yard hit he wrote of was taken AT A WOUNDED DEER (gutshot by a 300 winnie) across open range with a spotter who helped him walk the shots in.

What's my piont?

This (9mm) guy is a slob. That's all.

The range a guy shoots from should be exmined in light of his practice, experience, and ability.

There are practiced marksmen who take unbelievable shots, and prevail regularly.

There are slobs who shoot at close range and wound.

The ethics of the shot are dependent more upon the man and his ability, than any specific range or caliber imposed by a bunch of internet warriors (including us folks at the Campfire).

BMT