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Originally Posted by JamesJr
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but there are lots of mean people that keep telling them they are going to hell.




That's because they are going to Hell. It's not hate, it's just being truthful, and as we all know, the truth can hurt. But, I respect their right to make that choice...just as I expect them to respect MY right to be a Christian.


So, you are saying that your god would not accept someone who didn't believe in him/her/it but who still chose to live a good life because they believed it was right, but, would accept someone who did believe in him/her/it and who lived a good life out of some fear of punishment or the promise of reward? Saying "you must believe in me, love me, worship me" etc. sounds very narcissistic, which is a human failing. I think there is far more evidence that we created our gods than the other way around.

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Originally Posted by JamesJr
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Originally Posted by JamesJr
Originally Posted by MadMooner
but there are lots of mean people that keep telling them they are going to hell.


That's because they are going to Hell. It's not hate, it's just being truthful, and as we all know, the truth can hurt. But, I respect their right to make that choice...just as I expect them to respect MY right to be a Christian.


If it's "the truth", show us your evidence.

If you can't prove this claim, than it's just an empty threat to try and create converts for your religion.



Just look at the world around you... the plants, the animals, the mountains, the rivers, the seas, the 4 seasons, and tell me that it "just happened". Without a doubt, there is a higher power.

It's always the same old drivel.

The only thing "without a doubt" is you have no proof of your fantasies, and no right to force them on anyone else.


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Originally Posted by cooper57m
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but there are lots of mean people that keep telling them they are going to hell.




That's because they are going to Hell. It's not hate, it's just being truthful, and as we all know, the truth can hurt. But, I respect their right to make that choice...just as I expect them to respect MY right to be a Christian.


So, you are saying that your god would not accept someone who didn't believe in him/her/it but who still chose to live a good life because they believed it was right, but, would accept someone who did believe in him/her/it and who lived a good life out of some fear of punishment or the promise of reward? Saying "you must believe in me, love me, worship me" etc. sounds very narcissistic, which is a human failing. I think there is far more evidence that we created our gods than the other way around.



I'm not going to argue religion, or as to whether or not there is a God, because I'm not a Bible scholar, I'm just an ordinary Christian. You are free to believe as you so choose. I happen to believe there is indeed a God, and that he sent his son Jesus Christ to come and die on the cross, in order that I (and you too if you wish) might be forgiven of my sins and enter into the Kingdom of God (Heaven), after I die. It's just that simple. If you choose not to believe that, all I can say is that's it's your loss. I would sincerely hope that you would come to the same conclusion I have, and find everlasting life.

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What?

You dont believe in higher power? grin




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Originally Posted by JamesJr
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Originally Posted by MadMooner
but there are lots of mean people that keep telling them they are going to hell.




That's because they are going to Hell. It's not hate, it's just being truthful, and as we all know, the truth can hurt. But, I respect their right to make that choice...just as I expect them to respect MY right to be a Christian.


So, you are saying that your god would not accept someone who didn't believe in him/her/it but who still chose to live a good life because they believed it was right, but, would accept someone who did believe in him/her/it and who lived a good life out of some fear of punishment or the promise of reward? Saying "you must believe in me, love me, worship me" etc. sounds very narcissistic, which is a human failing. I think there is far more evidence that we created our gods than the other way around.



I'm not going to argue religion, or as to whether or not there is a God, because I'm not a Bible scholar, I'm just an ordinary Christian. You are free to believe as you so choose. I happen to believe there is indeed a God, and that he sent his son Jesus Christ to come and die on the cross, in order that I (and you too if you wish) might be forgiven of my sins and enter into the Kingdom of God (Heaven), after I die. It's just that simple. If you choose not to believe that, all I can say is that's it's your loss. I would sincerely hope that you would come to the same conclusion I have, and find everlasting life.


In other words, you have no evidence, you just believe the fairy tales that makes you feel the most comfortable.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by JamesJr
Originally Posted by MadMooner
but there are lots of mean people that keep telling them they are going to hell.




That's because they are going to Hell. It's not hate, it's just being truthful, and as we all know, the truth can hurt. But, I respect their right to make that choice...just as I expect them to respect MY right to be a Christian.


I think i have seen christians discuss the wonders of Christ and none judging by declaring someone is going to hell. It would be interesting to see where a poster said that outside quoting scripture.


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As atheists, what are your views on ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot?

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Originally Posted by JamesJr
Originally Posted by MadMooner
but there are lots of mean people that keep telling them they are going to hell.




That's because they are going to Hell. It's not hate, it's just being truthful, and as we all know, the truth can hurt. But, I respect their right to make that choice...just as I expect them to respect MY right to be a Christian.


If it's "the truth", show us your evidence.

If you can't prove this claim, than it's just an empty threat to try and create converts for your religion.




Just look at the world around you... the plants, the animals, the mountains, the rivers, the seas, the 4 seasons, and tell me that it "just happened". Without a doubt, there is a higher power.


And there it is, folks!

The first circular argument from ignorance on this particular thread! grin


No, the argument based on faith.


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Originally Posted by barm
cooper57M and Gus,

As atheists, what are your views on ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot?


Speaking for myself, I see no evidence supporting a belief in ghosts, bigfoot, nor developed extraterrestrial visitors to earth.

Gus may see things a little different, or waaaay different after a few bowls of weed.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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No, the argument based on faith.


Faith is a circular argument.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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cooper57M and Gus,

As atheists, what are your views on ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot?


Speaking for myself, I see no evidence supporting a belief in ghosts, bigfoot, nor developed extraterrestrial visitors to earth.

Gus may see things a little different, or waaaay different after a few bowls of weed.


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Thank you for the reply.

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Originally Posted by barm
cooper57M and Gus,

As atheists, what are your views on ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot?


lol. just how did you manage to conclude that i am, or might even be an atheist?

to expand or expound on your rather direct question, i'd suggest it's very possible a lot of early day desert tribes, and others didn't know what to call a space alien but God, since the technology of the possible aliens so exceeded anything the goat-herders were aware of. wandering around in the desert from water hole to waterhole, searching for green grass in the interim was no small task. to meet a god, space alien, etc, would certainly shift one's perspective, is what i'm thinking.

but, who really knows for sure?


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I'm ok with religious folk believing in whatever god you wish that makes you happy and encourages you to be a decent person that won't kill me or steal my stuff. I promise not to do that to you either, so we are good. I'm also ok if you need a promise of an afterlife to make death easier for you to deal with. I'm ok with the fad to black that it I think it will most very likely be. I'm not ok with people telling me that their loving god will send me to hell just because I don't believe. That's just an attempt of recruiting thru intimidation. It's the ultimate hubris for people to try to speak for a "god". That should be the greatest sin of them all.

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Originally Posted by Gus
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cooper57M and Gus,

As atheists, what are your views on ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot?


lol. just how did you manage to conclude that i am, or might even be an atheist?

to expand or expound on your rather direct question, i'd suggest it's very possible a lot of early day desert tribes, and others didn't know what to call a space alien but God, since the technology of the possible aliens so exceeded anything the goat-herders were aware of. wandering around in the desert from water hole to waterhole, searching for green grass in the interim was no small task. to meet a god, space alien, etc, would certainly shift one's perspective, is what i'm thinking.

but, who really knows for sure?


Thanks for the reply.

I started reading this thread earlier today and it got me to thinking how differing groups of people, i.e. Christians, atheists view other phenomena like ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot. I know several Christians and I know what they think, but I was curious how another group being a polar opposite would see it?

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Originally Posted by barm
cooper57M and Gus,

As atheists, what are your views on ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot?


They are fun make believe stuff, like Santa Claus. If mankind doesn't or can't understand something, they make stuff up.

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What do they think?


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Originally Posted by barm
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cooper57M and Gus,

As atheists, what are your views on ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot?


lol. just how did you manage to conclude that i am, or might even be an atheist?

to expand or expound on your rather direct question, i'd suggest it's very possible a lot of early day desert tribes, and others didn't know what to call a space alien but God, since the technology of the possible aliens so exceeded anything the goat-herders were aware of. wandering around in the desert from water hole to waterhole, searching for green grass in the interim was no small task. to meet a god, space alien, etc, would certainly shift one's perspective, is what i'm thinking.

but, who really knows for sure?


Thanks for the reply.

I started reading this thread earlier today and it got me to thinking how differing groups of people, i.e. Christians, atheists view other phenomena like ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot. I know several Christians and I know what they think, but I was curious how another group being a polar opposite would see it?


your assumption is pretty severe, in my interpretation. i've always thought that Jesus was/is the greatest teacher to ever incarnate on the face of the earth. not to say there weren't and haven't been other Great Teachers as well. does one have to believe in the mystical side of Christ, in order to be saved? yeah? what about those folks who wish to practice the Teachings that Jesus laid down? are they not xtians? apparently not in your book. but, that's ok. believe what you wish, and carry-on.


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Originally Posted by cooper57m
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cooper57M and Gus,

As atheists, what are your views on ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot?


They are fun make believe stuff, like Santa Claus. If mankind doesn't or can't understand something, they make stuff up.


Thank you for replying.

Most of the Christians I talked to felt the same way. I guess some Christians and atheists would find some common ground on this issue.

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Originally Posted by Gus
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cooper57M and Gus,

As atheists, what are your views on ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot?


lol. just how did you manage to conclude that i am, or might even be an atheist?

to expand or expound on your rather direct question, i'd suggest it's very possible a lot of early day desert tribes, and others didn't know what to call a space alien but God, since the technology of the possible aliens so exceeded anything the goat-herders were aware of. wandering around in the desert from water hole to waterhole, searching for green grass in the interim was no small task. to meet a god, space alien, etc, would certainly shift one's perspective, is what i'm thinking.

but, who really knows for sure?


Thanks for the reply.

I started reading this thread earlier today and it got me to thinking how differing groups of people, i.e. Christians, atheists view other phenomena like ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot. I know several Christians and I know what they think, but I was curious how another group being a polar opposite would see it?


your assumption is pretty severe, in my interpretation. i've always thought that Jesus was/is the greatest teacher to ever incarnate on the face of the earth. not to say there weren't and haven't been other Great Teachers as well. does one have to believe in the mystical side of Christ, in order to be saved? yeah? what about those folks who wish to practice the Teachings that Jesus laid down? are they not xtians? apparently not in your book. but, that's ok. believe what you wish, and carry-on.


Sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention. My point is many people whether Christian or atheist won't believe in something they can't feel, see, or touch. It's not a judgement just an observation.

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Originally Posted by barm
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cooper57M and Gus,

As atheists, what are your views on ghosts, aliens, and bigfoot?


They are fun make believe stuff, like Santa Claus. If mankind doesn't or can't understand something, they make stuff up.


Thank you for replying.

Most of the Christians I talked to felt the same way. I guess some Christians and atheists would find some common ground on this issue.


I have common ground with many Christians, beginning with ABC......anybody but clinton.


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