Is this murder? Watch whole vid. Shooting/murder? is at 4:40. Was the victim a real threat to cops? Cops claim man had knife. But man threw threw knife at cop car at 3:16 of the video. Dash cam vid shows folding knife bounce off hood. Just seems maybe a taser would have served better here.
Published on Sep 21, 2016
Dashcam shows mentally-ill man shot 14 times as he flees Sacramento police
Sacramento police have released three dashcam videos and one surveillance video which show the pursuit and killing of 50-year-old Joseph Mann, who was shot 14 times by police.
Video and audio recordings were released by Sacramento Police Chief Sam Somers on Tuesday after mounting pressure from the mayor, members of the city council and Mann’s family, who called for more information surrounding the July 11 shooting.
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In this day of camera's police agencies really need to up their l-t-l game or they will all be broke.
I can see police rules of engagement being changes to require the positive identification of a firearm etc. not just a "shooting stance" before lethal force is permitted. If departments don't start using their head a bit more things will get a lot worse for cops before they get any better.
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In this day of camera's police agencies really need to up their l-t-l game or they will all be broke.
I can see police rules of engagement being changes to require the positive identification of a firearm etc. not just a "shooting stance" before lethal force is permitted. If departments don't start using their head a bit more things will get a lot worse for cops before they get any better.
A "shooting stance", with anything in the suspect's hands, is a perceived threat - and the cops don't exactly have the time to ask the suspect if that is a "real gun".
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They ran at him, to shoot him, the idiot that shot him jumped out of the car and ran over to shoot the man, time was not of the essences, no one was in danger until they he placed him self there.
AND, for the record, I DO believe there are some "bad shoots" Hope I'm NEVER involved in a shoot - much less a bad one! These decisions than are made in less than a second, maybe in milli-seconds.
Second guessing WILL go on forever!
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The Police in the USA make about 1500 arrests every day for violent crimes plus probably 25,000-30,000 more arrests every day for just regular crimes.
It shows a lot of restraint & professionalism on the part of the Police that they only shoot & kill about 1.2 people a day on average when they are dealing with that many miscreants.
It seems to be trendy for the news & social media to go after the cops every time they cap some miscreants ass.
Sounded like 12 shots to me, unless a couple were fired at the same time.
The guy appeared to me to be seriously crack or meth delusional. Totally fried. Seen enough crispy critter crackheads to fill a stadium. Meth isn't really the drug of choice here. So have no idea of what that looks like.
Long story short, if a cop says put down the knife, put down the knife.. unless you're planning on taking 6 or 7 of them on with said knife and they're all holding Glock 23's... which could indeed be called suicide by cop.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want.
If a cop has a gun and you have a gun, either shoot the cop or drop your gun.
Even if you drop it there's a chance he'll shoot you anyway, but if you just stand there with it, it's for damn sure he will shoot. He might not hit you, but he will shoot.
If a cop has a gun and you don't........ why don't you?
They ran at him, to shoot him, the idiot that shot him jumped out of the car and ran over to shoot the man, time was not of the essences, no one was in danger until they he placed him self there.
How would you detain someone having a "mental episode" without "placing yourself there"?
They can't sit around and watch the guy until he falls asleep.
One shot, one kill........ It saves a lot of ammo!
I'm not a cop, and therefore not knowledgeable on police policies and doctrines. Ask me how to fix a pair of eyeglasses, and I'm your man. That being said, I'd ask our LEO's what the actual policy is for shoot/don't shoot.
The man consistently disobeyed officer's orders. Yes, he threw somethig at the cruiser. I couldn't tell if it was a knife, or what it was. By refusing to do as instructed, HE escalated the situation to the point where the foot pursuit ensued. Did he have a second weapon in hand? I sure couldn't tell from the video.
What sucks is he had any number of chances to comply with the officer's orders, and he chose not to. 'Seems like simple compliance would have prevented all this.
two solutions for all these cop shootings. One would be to just disarm cops, and give them soft rubber truncheons. The other would be for folks to stop doing stupid things in front of cops.
