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Oh well. I tried a blended, factual and realist view.


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So...... Atheists are the only ones who are not delusional?


Those are your words, not mine.

All I did was post the definition.


Yeah... after you posted this :

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Now you try to weasel out.


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Originally Posted by EdM
Oh well. I tried a blended, factual and realist view.


Emotions are higher it seems. Too funny given, well, never mind...


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Originally Posted by curdog4570
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So...... Atheists are the only ones who are not delusional?


Those are your words, not mine.

All I did was post the definition.


Yeah... after you posted this :

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There no equivalence between the Skeptic and those who hold a belief system in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


Now you try to weasel out.


As I've said before not all Christians/religions/religious beliefs are equal.

I don't believe I've ever heard you claim the earth is less then 10,000 years old, and you seen to have a definition of god that does not manifest outside one's mind. So on balance, how well do you believe your belief stacks up against that definition?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Evolutionists use the belief in evolution as their starting point. That is circular also. The thing about evolution is one has to start with nothing and get something. The creationists start with Infinite Intelligent Energy we call God. One follows the basic concept of science, cause and effect, and the other does not. Both are circular but one is reasonable.


Literally, everything in your post is wrong...literally.


So then you don't accept the basic concept of science is cause and effect? How can one conduct experiments without it?


Pretty simple, really. The creator of cause and effect is above it.


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Evolutionists use the belief in evolution as their starting point. That is circular also. The thing about evolution is one has to start with nothing and get something. The creationists start with Infinite Intelligent Energy we call God. One follows the basic concept of science, cause and effect, and the other does not. Both are circular but one is reasonable.


Literally, everything in your post is wrong...literally.


So then you don't accept the basic concept of science is cause and effect? How can one conduct experiments without it?


Pretty simple, really. The creator of cause and effect is above it.


So now you are on to "Special Pleading".


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I'm sure not everyone does, but there are lots of mean people that keep telling them they are going to hell.

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Atheists are imposing their religion on everyone else by attacking any evidence of religion in the public square.

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definition of god that does not manifest outside one's mind.


He manifests Himself in His Creation. That extends well beyond my mind.

He communicates with me in my mind..... but that's just one man's experience. He might write sky messages for the next guy as far as I know.

As far as a 6000 year old earth.... that seems highly unlikely to me based on the relatively short span of time covered by written history. The earliest writers seem to have been looking at basically the same earth we see. Besides, the only argument for the earth being 6000 Y O seems to come from a literal reading of the O T .... a method I disagree with.


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Yep. The Lord often spoke in spiritual terms.

He also spoke physically of behemoths roaming the earth ages ago.

So who told us of the dinosaurs and mastadons 200 years ago, other than Him, in scripture.

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From what I have read on here, it is the atheists that attack Christians for believing as they do, not the other way around. I don't believe in forcing my views upon anyone, I'll just tell you how I see things, and go from there. But, instead of disagreeing, the atheists have to try and pick a fight. Sometimes, I think they're just jealous that Christians are going to have everlasting life, and they are not. However, they could, it's their choice.

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adolescents trying to be a different breed of cat, or they have been disappointed by God in some way and are carrying a resentment.

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If someone claims to have something you don't have, it's a very human reaction to deny that they have it.

And Atheist are - above all else - humans. Humanity is their god.


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Originally Posted by JamesJr
From what I have read on here, it is the atheists that attack Christians for believing as they do, not the other way around. I don't believe in forcing my views upon anyone, I'll just tell you how I see things, and go from there. But, instead of disagreeing, the atheists have to try and pick a fight. Sometimes, I think they're just jealous that Christians are going to have everlasting life, and they are not. However, they could, it's their choice.


That smug, holier than thou attitude is what gets under atheist's skin.

It's like some bratty kid prancing around his friends shouting "I know something you don't know!". He shouldn't be surprised when he gets bopped in the mouth.

For the record I'm not atheist. I was, but the spirit of an extraterrestrial sasquatch came to me in a dream and showed me the light. I'm satanist now.

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Originally Posted by curdog4570
If someone claims to have something you don't have, it's a very human reaction to deny that they have it.

And Atheist are - above all else - humans. Humanity is their god.


Yes, or deny they are jealous of your huge fish or bull elk.

Maybe some have and hate the feeling that they have been rejected.

I know some who were slighted or treated badly by people who professed to be "christians"- people who truly took the name of the Lord in vain.


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by curdog4570
If someone claims to have something you don't have, it's a very human reaction to deny that they have it.

And Atheist are - above all else - humans. Humanity is their god.


Yes, or deny they are jealous of your huge fish or bull elk.

Maybe some have and hate the feeling that they have been rejected.

I know some who were slighted or treated badly by people who professed to be "christians"- people who truly took the name of the Lord in vain.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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No, the argument based on faith.


Faith is a circular argument.


That depends upon the definition and context of faith.
Christian faith is based upon being fully persuaded to affirm the truth having examined the facts of the case and having come to a conclusion. The evidence in the "court-room" is overwhelming- the conclusion is faith. An affirmation of the truth having been persuaded.

Faith also includes trust in a person, (God) once you have gotten to know Him.

Your definition of faith is just your (unknowing) straw man forced off on your antagonists in this debate; it is not rooted in any Christian creed or confession or systematic theology.

Once again; John Locke, "The Reasonableness of Christianity"

Or
http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Text.Only/pdfs/The_Coming_Prince_Text.pdf

Sir Robert Anderson proves the precise fulfillment of the Daniel 9 prophecy as to the time of the Hebrew Messiah "cut off but not for Himself". Just prior to the destruction of the Temple. Which is exactly what happened but predicted by a space of over 400 years.

Undeniable proof that God exists and has revealed Himself via the Hebrew prophets and the Lord Jesus Christ.

And much more from Isaiah; starting with chapter 53

But if Christ Himself manifested and healed on the wrong day or the wrong person you would still not be persuaded.

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Originally Posted by justin10mm
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From what I have read on here, it is the atheists that attack Christians for believing as they do, not the other way around. I don't believe in forcing my views upon anyone, I'll just tell you how I see things, and go from there. But, instead of disagreeing, the atheists have to try and pick a fight. Sometimes, I think they're just jealous that Christians are going to have everlasting life, and they are not. However, they could, it's their choice.


That smug, holier than thou attitude is what gets under atheist's skin.

It's like some bratty kid prancing around his friends shouting "I know something you don't know!". He shouldn't be surprised when he gets bopped in the mouth.

For the record I'm not atheist. I was, but the spirit of an extraterrestrial sasquatch came to me in a dream and showed me the light. I'm satanist now.


There again you have your example. There was no reason for this attack against the Christian belief in God.

The next time you meet someone, try insulting their wife in the worst way you can think of and see how much good will you receive from them after that.If anything, I have witnessed Christians having remarkable restraint in their conversations with atheists on this forum,doing their best to ignore insults against what they hold most dear. They do this for only one reason, hoping that be some grace a word they say may ring true and save a person from destruction.

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when you try to spoon feed a grown man something he don't want, don't get butthurt when he spits it back on ya.


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Originally Posted by toad
when you try to spoon feed a grown man something he don't want, don't get butthurt when he spits it back on ya.


I would assume that if he didn't want to talk about it,he would just refrain from joining in the conversation. It's not polite to ask for a bite and then spit it in someone's face because you didn't like it.

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