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Drop George Soros an email.... that would be a good start...

Warren Buffet also...for starters

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Certainly can be a thorny issue but, whether you agree with it or not, the courts settled the question about discriminating based on sex, religion, race, etc.

The outcome is far less discriminating than the way things used to be. Nobody is forcing someone to 'recant' their beliefs or sending them away to indoctrination camps. For those who would prefer to refuse service or goods to certain classes of people based on their personal beliefs, there are less 'open' countries that celebrate such standards.

The real problem here is the hypocrisy of the 'offended' people--in this case, 'christians'. Notice how it is always gays that trigger their 'righteous right of refusal'? Why not any of the other sins denounced in scripture?

Gun owners flip out if an establishment puts up a 'no guns' sign. Imagine if all the businesses in your locale and online could refuse service to anyone whose beliefs/lifestyle 'offended' them?

I live in an area with a high population of Mormons. I don't agree with their beliefs and that's fine--I can still do business with them. That doesn't make me LDS by proxy... cool

Besides, I really don't want to have to fill out the long form survey detailing all my beliefs and shortcomings so some business can decide whether or not they can serve me.... laugh


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This is the same sort of crap that the KKK was organized to fight... Things that just ain't right, not to go out and harass innocent Negros as many would have us believe.


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Originally Posted by MojoHand
Certainly can be a thorny issue but, whether you agree with it or not, the courts settled the question about discriminating based on sex, religion, race, etc.

The outcome is far less discriminating than the way things used to be. Nobody is forcing someone to 'recant' their beliefs or sending them away to indoctrination camps. For those who would prefer to refuse service or goods to certain classes of people based on their personal beliefs, there are less 'open' countries that celebrate such standards.

The real problem here is the hypocrisy of the 'offended' people--in this case, 'christians'. Notice how it is always gays that trigger their 'righteous right of refusal'? Why not any of the other sins denounced in scripture?

Gun owners flip out if an establishment puts up a 'no guns' sign. Imagine if all the businesses in your locale and online could refuse service to anyone whose beliefs/lifestyle 'offended' them?

I live in an area with a high population of Mormons. I don't agree with their beliefs and that's fine--I can still do business with them. That doesn't make me LDS by proxy... cool

Besides, I really don't want to have to fill out the long form survey detailing all my beliefs and shortcomings so some business can decide whether or not they can serve me.... laugh


What do you think would happen if someone went into a Muslim meat company and asked them to get some pork for them? The Muslim would win because they, like gays are the protected groups now. Christian are the targeted group.


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Originally Posted by MojoHand
Certainly can be a thorny issue but, whether you agree with it or not, the courts settled the question about discriminating based on sex, religion, race, etc.

The outcome is far less discriminating than the way things used to be. Nobody is forcing someone to 'recant' their beliefs or sending them away to indoctrination camps. For those who would prefer to refuse service or goods to certain classes of people based on their personal beliefs, there are less 'open' countries that celebrate such standards.


Complete idiocy.

The way things "used to be" was called following the Constitution.

Now, the Constitution isn't followed, and of course the result is that these innocent Americans *were* forced to recant their beliefs (bake the [bleep] cake), or be sent to an indoctrination camp (run out of their careers).

These United States were designed to permit its citizens the freedom to refuse to deal with any fn body they want.

Apparently, you don't like freedom, and "celebrate" the government assisting in the destruction of a citizen's life, because the government prefers a different citizen.




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I may fail, but am trying to see the broader picture in these persecutions. I'm all about equal rights and opportunities - always have been and will be - and deplore persecution based on who/what a person is. Now - behavior can be another matter.

Whomever said it was not about the cake is correct, and it also was not about "gender". To those who ran this charade and bullied the baker folks, gender is hardly an issue at all, The LGBTQRPN Nazis have no gender identity as such - any mixture of lusts and genitals will do just fine for those folks.

What they seem to crave is some form of legitimacy - seems like any kind will do - as long as it is served up on demand. I can't sympathize or even empathize with their cravings because I'm not a sexual pervert - at least not yet. But if I were living that lifestyle and aware of the centuries of strong views regarding such perversions and taboos (who isn't?), I'd probably be wanting some legitimacy too.

There is no way for folks bound up in such perversions to secure legitimacy on moral/ethical bases. Some of them might look in the mirror and think "OK, I'm strange in that department - it'll have to be so and I'll make my way",

But, their lobby has gone for the one available shiny dime - trying to use our legal system to bully into submission those who take moral positions - bakers, ministers, justices of the peace, etc.. There still are people who think they somehow can build themselves up by tearing others down.

They will succeed here and there, put someone out of business, get a "marriage" license, get a special toilet room, etc.. Some good things may come about with regard to experiencing equal rights and opportunities no matter who you are, and maybe some deserved recognition not formerly afforded. But, it looks as though true legitimacy never can be gained in the courts - no matter how many decent people are trampled in the process.


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Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by MojoHand
Certainly can be a thorny issue but, whether you agree with it or not, the courts settled the question about discriminating based on sex, religion, race, etc.

The outcome is far less discriminating than the way things used to be. Nobody is forcing someone to 'recant' their beliefs or sending them away to indoctrination camps. For those who would prefer to refuse service or goods to certain classes of people based on their personal beliefs, there are less 'open' countries that celebrate such standards.

The real problem here is the hypocrisy of the 'offended' people--in this case, 'christians'. Notice how it is always gays that trigger their 'righteous right of refusal'? Why not any of the other sins denounced in scripture?

Gun owners flip out if an establishment puts up a 'no guns' sign. Imagine if all the businesses in your locale and online could refuse service to anyone whose beliefs/lifestyle 'offended' them?

I live in an area with a high population of Mormons. I don't agree with their beliefs and that's fine--I can still do business with them. That doesn't make me LDS by proxy... cool

Besides, I really don't want to have to fill out the long form survey detailing all my beliefs and shortcomings so some business can decide whether or not they can serve me.... laugh


What do you think would happen if someone went into a Muslim meat company and asked them to get some pork for them? The Muslim would win because they, like gays are the protected groups now. Christian are the targeted group.


Muslims don't sell pork to anyone, generally.

If they refused to sell goat meat to a Christian, because he was Christian, they would be subject to the same penalties.



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If i was a baker I'd have baked them a cake. No big [bleep] deal. Don't have to agree with their lifestyle.


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Originally Posted by Seafire
Gentlemen,

While we try to point out who really is to blame, it is we conservative who must look in the mirror...

The liberal Gay and Lesbian community are a small percentage of our population... they just have big mouths and supporters who hate our nation, and our society.... and are blessed with deep pockets looking for a place to spend it on to think they are 'changing the world'... just like Mommy and Daddy told them they would do...

The State of Oregon is dominated by the same liberals... ones who 'got involved' so they could make those changes to the 'world'.....their ideology follows anything that circumvents American Society and our long accepted principles....

What have we done as conservatives? We have stood down and done nothing more than complain.... we haven't risen to the occasion with the same zeal and financial commitment that these small big mouthed minorities have....

The same results will keep repeating itself over and over until conservative start stepping up to the plate, and making the same commitment and zeal that the liberal left does.

The frustration in this nation, is a major reason Donald Trump has the popularity it does. But while we complain that the liberal left always expect the government to take care of all of their needs, what do conservative do but stand down and hope ONE MAN can change it all.

Gentlemen, until we start rising to the occasion and challenges with similar zeal and commitment as our foes, then this crap will just continue to occur until the nation we were born and raised in, no longer exists.

It far beyond the "Schitt or Git off the Pot" time.
. I for one have donated money and time to fight this kind of schit! What do you propose we do that's legal!!

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I think the bakery should be allowed to do whatever it is that they think is right as long as they don't break any laws.

That being said, if Jesus owned a bakery, I'm pretty sure he would've baked them a cake. I bet he would've even given it to them....just a thought.


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THIS AIN'T RIGHT! I realize and support what the Constitution says but ....well that ain't right either.

You really cannot have it both ways. We're stuck in one major social consternation.

I really see no way out of this.


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Originally Posted by MadMooner


Muslims don't sell pork to anyone, generally.

If they refused to sell goat meat to a Christian, because he was Christian, they would be subject to the same penalties.



Don't think I'd care to eat a Muslim's goat..


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I'd not buy a thing from one.

Point still stands though.


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I run now, and have run in the past, client-based businesses in Oregon. I have worked with gays- lesbians specifically, but possibly others as well. The only time I've ever had any 2nd thoughts about working with anybody was two different bands I recorded albums for. In the first case, it was a metal band, not very good, and as I recorded and did the punch-ins and edits on the largely unintelligible lyrics I started to freak that the dude was singing about sex with KIDS. I have kids. However soon after, I had reason to trot out of the control room to the iso booth, to move a mic or something, and the guy was crying- big, gnarly, tatoo'd and pierced guy crying in the iso booth. His bandmate was there consoling. After, I asked him about it. Turns out, the guy had been abused, badly, as a kid and was expressing his own experiences via the art and poetry he was making. Boy did I feel like an [bleep].

Second time was a band from Corvallis that I had no issues with, but my wife, a hardcore outside person and gardener, overheard them talking outside the studio while on break.... talking about what amounted to date-rape very openly, as in, a thing that had happened with them, and they thought it was cool, maaaaan.

I could give two [bleep] about what consenting adults do together and frankly, the refusal to bake a cake for a wedding strikes me as bullshit. Get over yourself. There are crimes out there involving sex but two gals getting it on ain't one of them.

However, I cannot endorse a State mandate of the type described by the OP. I certainly have my limits as to who I'll work with. That's MY business, literally.


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I would have gladly baked them a cake.

It would have tasted like azz and I would never have to worry about seeing them want to buy another.


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Love is a wonderful thing. If two consenting adults love each other, it makes the world a better place.

I'd bake that cake.


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BUT! I'd be pissed as hell to be compelled to do so by the State.


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Very dumb on the Bakers part . They should've known what was going to happen and now they're paying the price. I would never do it in my business. It would be like not selling the cake to black people that came in. You know you're gonna get fried from it . Terrible battle to fight. A little common sense goes a very long way.

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Originally Posted by Calvin
Very dumb on the Bakers part . They should've known what was going to happen and now they're paying the price. I would never do it in my business. It would be like not selling the cake to black people that came in. You know you're gonna get fried from it . Terrible battle to fight. A little common sense goes a very long way.


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