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Good grief.........

Been on two bear hunts using dogs,there's more to it than that. Loved hearing the dogs chasing the bear,trying to determine which dog you are hearing,how far it is,which direction it's heading,is it a treed bark or still chasing bark. Then there was the "All American." An "All American" is when the scent is so hot/fresh all the dogs open up!
Maybe hard to believe,but one bear out distanced the dogs,we called him "The Runner" and according to the guide,that bear knew what was going on and beat feet out of there.

But,to each their own.

Now you are truly into rationalizing.

I know a few guides that have worked there.

I dont really want to get into it much, I was doing a good job avoiding it, but a few words then I'll remove myself.

The OP is pretty much correct, tho it seems odd that such a traveled hunter would somehow be surprised how these things are ran is a bit odd..

Main goal is to make guys feel like its a hunt,wear them out a little and then attempt the up-sell on a bigger bull,that (usually) somehow just appears..

Guides need to be really good at scoring on the hoof, or I guess they could just look at the number/color of the ear tag..the ear tag that the guides remove before the hunter ever gets to the bull.If the guide lets a client get to the bull before or even at the same time, frankly they screwed up as they have to "prep" it a bit beforehand.

Do you really think it would take more than an hour, via ATV to go out and kill a bull there? no it wouldnt, its a dog and pony show.

You really dont hunt that much do you? You just want to act like it....

Exactly! BTW, used to be a partner in a hunting outfit in Maine called Bowlin camps. Mainly bear, but moose and deer as well. Well aware of the dog thing and witnessed it many times and I personally did not care for it, but others like it and that's fine by me.

PS: tTo the other poster, there were NO tags on these elk for chrissake!

As someone else already said, coming home empty-handed is part of hunting. It makes success worthwhile.

I like my analogy best. The kid who gets a trophy for just showing up really has no reason to take pride in it.

Bear hunting with dogs isn't any less of a challenge than shooting them over donuts.

The best hunt I ever had was one in which my brother, dad and myself hunted antelope,deer and elk in MT. We all tagged out on antelope but not on deer or elk. It was a success because we got my dad a lope on his last hunt ever and it was some doing given his severe physical restrictions. I will never forget it.
DYI public land BTW.

Everything I know about the place is a guess..

Ok, wasnt going to pick on you anymore Jorge (or Pugs who is apparently staying out of it at this point ) , but I'll run through this one more time.

Of course there is no tag involved. Private owned elk, on privately owned land--like it is in most western states--is regulated by Idaho Dept of Agriculture. That should tell you something right there.

OF COURSE the guide isn't going to take you over to the 8ft high, woven wire fence, and tell you, "this is how we keep the elk in so you can shoot them".

OF COURSE, the management isn't going to take you to the elk facilities and show you "this is where the elk are bred", "this is where the elk are born", "this is the squeeze chute where we inject antibiotics into these(very) valuable elk because they are quite susceptible to disease when kept together year 'round", and "this is where we open the gate shortly before the hunters arrive and slap 'em in the butt and say sayonara little buddies it was good knowing ya'".

Now, about fine lines and matter of degrees: When it comes to high fence hunting it ain't close--it's in a different solar system.

There is no legitimate sport hunting organization I'm aware of that considers high fence hunting ethical. When Broadmouth's website declares a "517 point World Record Elk", that's an absolute lie.

And the rest of their well written website (I swear, it could be canonized) says things like "fair chase feeling" and "preserve", it is written for the uninitiated and/or to assist in any rationalization.

I have my criticisms of compound bows in regular archery seasons, of long range hunting, annd I can even (barely) understand some hunters and nonhunters distaste for hound hunting and baiting for bears--but unlike Broadmouth's 100% "chance" of success, all the above mentioned are far from a sure bet. The aforementioned are a matter of degree, 100% "chance" is not.

So, as far as flying the fine line is concerned, you were subject to review by your superiors and your peers every minute you were in the cockpit. And I really doubt you were not ever critiqued and criticized for your some of your choices while in the cockpit.

So sailor, all I can say is welcome to the Campfire Debriefing and Review Board.



Casey

Same here. Those hunts were also some of the most humbling.

I believe Safari Club recognizes livestock

shot at high fence facilities.

I was afraid of that. I knew they were having that discussion at some point in time, must've been wishful thinking on my part that they decided otherwise.

Casey

They call them "estate" trophies.

Well, being that I got to the elk before the guide, I'd chalk that up to the bullshit column.tg

Nope, wrong again. At least not for lion that I can vouch for. But , I really don't care, as I'm not into the tape thing

In regards to eartags. I worked on a preserve that my father owned while in high school. We tried to always remove the tags if at all possible upon release.

If that's directed at me, don't know what you're referring to.


Casey

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