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Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax #11502070 10/13/16 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad V varmintsinc OP Campfire Tracker OP varmintsinc Campfire Tracker V Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad I setting up a .223 for my son to start shooting out to 600 yards, strictly for paper or steel. Do you find one to be more length tolerant than the other or easier to getting shooting well? I will sacrifice the slight BC drop if the hpbt tends to be more forgiving on load development. Thanks ahead of time for your thoughts. Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies. "In rifle work, group size is of some interest...but it is well to remember that a rifleman does not shoot groups, he shoots shots." Jeff Cooper

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11502153 10/13/16 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,483 Calgary, AB, Canada Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,483 Calgary, AB, Canada I haven't played with the BTHP much, but the 75AM has always been easy to get shooting IME in several different rifles, as long is you can stabilize it properly. It's worth buying a box to see for yourself.

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11502169 10/13/16 Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,652 Utah B boatanchor Campfire Tracker boatanchor Campfire Tracker B Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,652 Utah In several of my rifles I have given up both of these bullets to shoot the 80gr VLD Berger, they are not only more accurate in my 223's but in my 22-250AI's also

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11502195 10/13/16 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,523 Mequon, WI G gzig5 Campfire Regular gzig5 Campfire Regular G Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,523 Mequon, WI This going to be a bolt gun or AR? In my experience the HPBT is very easy to get to shoot well and the Amax is a bit more sensitive to seating depth. Ask just about any Highpower shooter and they'll pick the HPBT for mag length loads out of an AR because they jump a long way and tolerate it well. If you single load you can get closer to the lands and play a bit more with the Amax.

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11502319 10/13/16 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad V varmintsinc OP Campfire Tracker OP varmintsinc Campfire Tracker V Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad Ruger predator, I plan on modifying mags to get whatever length I need. Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies. "In rifle work, group size is of some interest...but it is well to remember that a rifleman does not shoot groups, he shoots shots." Jeff Cooper

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11502342 10/13/16 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,304 Durham, CA Higginez Campfire Ranger Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,304 Durham, CA If you can kiss lands from the magazine with the Amax then that is where I'd be. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax boatanchor #11502398 10/13/16 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,304 Durham, CA Higginez Campfire Ranger Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,304 Durham, CA Originally Posted by boatanchor In several of my rifles I have given up both of these bullets to shoot the 80gr VLD Berger, they are not only more accurate in my 223's but in my 22-250AI's also How is the Berger at distance as far as splash? Can you spot a miss pretty good? Always an eye opener when someone shows up with 69 grain Sierras. Them things don't kick up dirt for nothing. The light bulb really comes on when they see the 75 Amax in action. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11502522 10/13/16 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,779 Western VA D Dude270 Campfire Tracker Dude270 Campfire Tracker D Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 3,779 Western VA I've never found either bullet to be temperamental. If you are going to mod the mag, I'd enjoy the better flight characteristics and terminal performance of the Amax

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax Dude270 #11502554 10/13/16 Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,129 A Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter A Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,129 The 75 Amax is very accurate and perfect for 600 yds + Go 8" twist!

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax Ackleyfan #11502599 10/13/16 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas A APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas Originally Posted by Ackleyfan The 75 Amax is very accurate and perfect for 600 yds + Go 8" twist! Would you mind sharing your load for the 75gr Amax? I have several hundred of them, a Ruger American Ranch Rifle and two AR's with 1:8 twist barrels. I bought some of the ASC stainless steel magazines which allow for longer COAL (2.316" vs. 2.250") and the Ruger magazines will also allow max COAL of 2.265" and I would like to play with these bullets a little bit more. I don't know if it makes a difference, but two of the rifles have Wylde chambers. Thanks, Ed Last edited by APDDSN0864; 10/13/16. Reason: Corrected COAL "Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax APDDSN0864 #11502644 10/13/16 Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 20,824 Hollywood irfubar Campfire Ranger irfubar Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 20,824 Hollywood The Ruger predator will need the mag box extended to work at it's best with the amax. The 75gr hpbt can be seated to RAR mag length and be close to the lands. The b.c. on the 75hpbt is .395 the 75 amax is .435. My load in the predator is 24.5gr RL=15 behind the 75 amax. with the mag mods. For 2850 fps Without mag mods go with the 75 bthp Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11502665 10/13/16 Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,743 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,743 Southern Oregon USA In ALL of my fast twist 223s, I have found that the BTHP to be more accurate than the 75 A Max.... but the 80 A Max is an accurate as the BTHP.... didn't matter if the velocity was fast or slower than max... YMMV...

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11503084 10/13/16 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,507 Central Cal. G Grand Campfire Tracker Grand Campfire Tracker G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,507 Central Cal. tag

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax irfubar #11503099 10/13/16 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas A APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas Originally Posted by irfubar The Ruger predator will need the mag box extended to work at it's best with the amax. The 75gr hpbt can be seated to RAR mag length and be close to the lands. The b.c. on the 75hpbt is .395 the 75 amax is .435. My load in the predator is 24.5gr RL=15 behind the 75 amax. with the mag mods. For 2850 fps Without mag mods go with the 75 bthp What do you have to do to modify the RAR mags? Is that just a Dremel job or something else? Also, I corrected the COAL in my post above. The ASC mags allow a 2.316" COAL and my RAR mags will allow 2.260". Ed Last edited by APDDSN0864; 10/13/16. "Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax APDDSN0864 #11503154 10/13/16 Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 20,824 Hollywood irfubar Campfire Ranger irfubar Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 20,824 Hollywood The mag mod I used was fill the end with epoxy then dremel it to length. Was a thread on how to do it recently. Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax irfubar #11503163 10/13/16 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas A APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas Originally Posted by irfubar The mag mod I used was fill the end with epoxy then dremel it to length. Was a thread on how to do it recently. I thought there was, but my search ability must be pretty weak 'cause I couldn't find it. Thanks for the info. Ed "Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11503216 10/13/16 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad V varmintsinc OP Campfire Tracker OP varmintsinc Campfire Tracker V Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad Thanks for all of the info guys, as always there is a wealth of information on here. Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies. "In rifle work, group size is of some interest...but it is well to remember that a rifleman does not shoot groups, he shoots shots." Jeff Cooper

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11503342 10/14/16 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida For shooting to the 6 I'd buy 600 BTHP's and not look back. I love the A-Max and it is a more better bullet in the wind, but I stock up on the BTHP's these days because for me they've proven more forgiving in a variety of 7, 8, and 9 twist guns. Particularly short magazine stuff like AR's, the Howa Mini, and Ruger Americans. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax deflave #11503449 10/14/16 Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,129 A Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter A Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,129 You won't go wrong with either bullet, Both seem easy to get accurate loads for.... Last edited by Ackleyfan; 10/14/16.

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax APDDSN0864 #11503672 10/14/16 Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,874 Oregon 4 4th_point Campfire Tracker 4th_point Campfire Tracker 4 Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,874 Oregon Originally Posted by APDDSN0864 What do you have to do to modify the RAR mags? Is that just a Dremel job or something else? It's easy, just fill with epoxy putty then mill/Dremel/router. I made a post with pics awhile back, see link below. Since then, several people have reported good results using the same method. Jason Link Here

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax 4th_point #11504758 10/14/16 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas A APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas Thanks, Jason! Ed "Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax Seafire #11506519 10/15/16 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 17,927 1 16bore Campfire Ranger 16bore Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 17,927 Originally Posted by Seafire In ALL of my fast twist 223s, I have found that the BTHP to be more accurate than the 75 A Max.... but the 80 A Max is an accurate as the BTHP.... didn't matter if the velocity was fast or slower than max... YMMV... Saw the same in my 223AI and 223 Tikka. As good as the 75 Amax was/is, the 80 Amax was/is better.

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax 16bore #11506610 10/15/16 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,463 Northern Arizona S SU35 Campfire Outfitter SU35 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,463 Northern Arizona Has anyone tried these bullets in a RAR Predator, OR? Sierra Tipped MatchKing Bullets 22 Caliber (224 Diameter) 77 Grain Polymer Tip Boat Tail .420 BC

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax boatanchor #11506894 10/15/16 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,125 S.W. Wis. aalf Campfire Ranger aalf Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,125 S.W. Wis. Originally Posted by boatanchor In several of my rifles I have given up both of these bullets to shoot the 80gr VLD Berger, they are not only more accurate in my 223's but in my 22-250AI's also For paper and steel, the 80 VLD's are all I shoot as well. Plus I point them, which brings the BC up close to .480, tested to 1300+.

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax aalf #11507002 10/15/16 Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,129 A Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter A Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,129 aalf what twist are you using?

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax Ackleyfan #11507043 10/15/16 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,125 S.W. Wis. aalf Campfire Ranger aalf Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,125 S.W. Wis. Originally Posted by Ackleyfan aalf what twist are you using? Eights....

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax aalf #11507125 10/15/16 Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,129 A Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter A Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,129 May have to give some try...

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax Ackleyfan #11507251 10/16/16 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,133 Willamette Valley, Oregon P Pharmseller Campfire Outfitter Pharmseller Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,133 Willamette Valley, Oregon Tag Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ Member #547 Join date 3/09/2001

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax aalf #11507434 10/16/16 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Can the 80gr Berger be loaded to AR mag length? Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax deflave #11507452 10/16/16 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,523 Mequon, WI G gzig5 Campfire Regular gzig5 Campfire Regular G Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,523 Mequon, WI Originally Posted by deflave Can the 80gr Berger be loaded to AR mag length? Travis I think so, but it will eat a LOT of powder space. The start of the ogive may be down in the neck. You'd probably have trouble getting enough velocity out of it to make it worth while over the 75/77 grain bullets that are proven performers at mag length. I know two Highpower shooters that shoot the Sierra 77 out to 600 yards and they still do fine, but have to pay attention to the wind a bit more.

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax deflave #11507480 10/16/16 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas A APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas Originally Posted by deflave Can the 80gr Berger be loaded to AR mag length? Travis Have you looked at the ASC AR mags? They allow up to a 2.316" OAL which is ~0.060" longer than OAL for most AR mags. Stainless steel in your choice of colors, FDE or Black, 5, 10, 20, & 30rd mags, no-tilt followers, and not expensive at all. LINK Ed "Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax APDDSN0864 #11507633 10/16/16 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Those look good but I would need something that works in all AR mags. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax deflave #11508882 10/16/16 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas A APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas So buy a scheit load of the ASC mags and sell your other mags to some geek at a gun show. Ed "Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax Ackleyfan #11510237 10/17/16 Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 937 NJ/PA B BurninDupont Campfire Regular BurninDupont Campfire Regular B Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 937 NJ/PA Originally Posted by Ackleyfan You won't go wrong with either bullet, Both seem easy to get accurate loads for.... Nice shooting Ackleyfan. May I ask the specs on your barrel? Maker, twist, and grooves please? Best

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax APDDSN0864 #11510696 10/17/16 Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 8,923 Texas RDW Campfire Outfitter RDW Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 8,923 Texas Originally Posted by APDDSN0864 So buy a scheit load of the ASC mags and sell your other mags to some geek at a gun show. Ed I seated an Amax at 2.3" and it sure looks like the ogive is below the case mouth. Dave

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax RDW #11510918 10/17/16 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas A APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger APDDSN0864 Campfire Ranger A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 19,822 Alaska/Texas Thanks, Dave. I just haven't got there yet. Been playing with the mid-60 gr bullets in my .223's. Ed "Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11510989 10/17/16 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,474 Alaska R rost495 Campfire Kahuna rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,474 Alaska between the two, the amax hands down all day long. I've shot a couple thousand of them, maybe as many as 5000 at 2.250 also... N540 powder so my loads won't mean much to most as its not a common powder unless you are a competitor.... but 7-8 twist barrels for me, would be running 80 JLK VLDs over anything else. Granted I"ve not shot any of the newer stuff in 10 years or so. But the JLK had it over the Berger in the wind. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: Hornady 75 hpbt or 75 amax varmintsinc #11513283 10/18/16 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad V varmintsinc OP Campfire Tracker OP varmintsinc Campfire Tracker V Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,949 Nomad Thanks for all of the first hand knowledge. I grabbed a couple boxes of each, some TAC, AR comp and have varget on the shelf. Just filled in the magazine's with epoxy and will open those up tomorrow to get away from any OAL issues. Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies. "In rifle work, group size is of some interest...but it is well to remember that a rifleman does not shoot groups, he shoots shots." Jeff Cooper