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I'm currently waiting on a mcmillain classic for my 243. Once it shows up; my hunting rifle battery will pretty much be complete for lightweight, walkaround type rifles.
I'm tossing around the idea of throwing something together that would primarily be a range gun but would still be adeqaute for still hunting whitetail or equally at home in the groundhog or prairie dog fields. Something fairly low recoil and 4-500 yard capable.
My first thoughts were a bone stock 700 varmint in 308 and wrapping it in the Mcmillian HTG. But everything I have read for the most part has people saying the stock is too low for them. I don't like the look of pistol grips of A series of stocks.
All I intend to replace is the stock.
If you were putting together a rig (if you can call it that) such as this. I'm what direction would you take it? 308 probably isn't the wisest choice, maybe the 7-08 or 260 but I'm not sure those are offered in the varmint config.
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The HTG is not the best choice if you want a pic rail and tac rings. If you mount glass low, like I did here using Burris Signature DD mounts, it is easy to like. Rem 700 308 Varmint, HTG, Badger alloy floorplate/triggerguard.
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Thanks for the reply and pic. I was not planning on a pic rail or tac rings
Was thinking more of a one piece DNZ?
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I don't have any firsthand info on the height of the DNZ mounts for a Rem 700.
I have a DNZ mount on an AR-15 though. Very solid.
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Montana- if you don't mind me asking what is the weight of your rig? Roughly
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The HTG would be one of the last stocks I would ever choose, because of the low comb height. That being said, I've pretty much decided there is not a fixed comb stock made that will give me a good cheek weld. I would suggest something with an adjustable comb. Don't rule out the chassis. I have an MPA BA Lite coming this week.
As far as your varmint/range/deer rig... Do you handload? If so, there are several good options. I would start with magazine length. Are you going to use a standard 2.8" internal box? Or are you going to go with an AI DBM? I recommend the latter. A bit more length internally to allow seating the VLD type bullets close to the lands. If you handload, and are going to use a standard 2.8" box, I'd go with something on the 6.5x47 Lapua case. If going with a longer box, I'd go with a 6mm or 6.5 Creedmoor. The 6.5CM is nice because excellent factory ammo is available. If you don't handload at all, then the 6.5CM or .308.
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Montana- if you don't mind me asking what is the weight of your rig? Roughly About 11 lbs, without the bipod.
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Hondo- yea I handload. No worries there. As far as the rifle itself, my plan was to really just take an off the shelf 700 Varmint and slap it in a stock. Have no intentions of rebarreling and truing the action. I also really didn't want to get into a new caliber either. I'm already set up for 221, 223, 22-250, 243, 7-08, 7RM, 308, and 30-06. I should clarify that the 4-500yard part is for steel range only which is as far as I can shoot in my area. Not looking to punch deer at that distance.
MM- that is a bit heavier than I wanted. Was hoping it would not go over 10.
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Factory limits your choices. I'd be looking for a 6.5 CM, a Remington Varmint .243, a varmint weight 7mm-08 or .308. Those will be about all that's twisted right to drive VLD type bullets. I'd recommend you use AICS mags for greater COAL options.
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Factory limits your choices. I'd be looking for a 6.5 CM, a Remington Varmint .243, a varmint weight 7mm-08 or .308. Those will be about all that's twisted right to drive VLD type bullets. I'd recommend you use AICS mags for greater COAL options.
John When you say factory are you referring to factory ammo or factory rifles and chamberings If the former I don't shoot factory ammo. I load my own, if the latter I was thinking the same thing after looking at the twist rates. Hell the 22-250 is 1:14. I'm Already kind of shooting this idea to the ground.
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Was referring to factory barrels and how they are twisted.
Consider doing a Remage setup. A really cost effective way to get what you need, like an 8" twist 22-250. A Criterion barrel will only set you back $300, you can install it yourself and mine routinely groups 2" or less at 500 yards.
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Are these the ines with the barrel but like a savage?
Man I just can't handle the look lol. Same with the detachable mag. I like clean lines.
I think I'm going to have to go with an aftermarket barrel
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For whitetail at 500 yds any of those rounds will do fine, but I don't see myself shooting at prairie dogs and such very much with any of them.
A 243 is still a lot of powder. A 6mm BR or something mild like that I could see...an 8 twist 6BR or 223 AI seems more in line with how I would be looking at things.
I thought I saw a thread on here somewhere about that very topic.
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I live in ky, we don't even have prairie dogs lol. A friend and I are thinking about taking a trip next summer though. My 223 and 221 would get most of the trigger time, but I wouldn't be against popping a few with a larger round. No deer at 500. Steel only. Where I hunt max range on a deer is 300.
I looked at the 6BR, awesome round and not using much powder. That's something to keep mind.
Have kinda gotten off track a little. What I was really wanting was to take a standard 700 varmint, wrap it in the HTG and work up a good all around load with a bullet such as the BT and top it with a CDS and call it a day.
I didn't exactly wanna take on another build as I'm still not fished with my 243 AI
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The HTG is my goto. There are better stocks for hiding recoil. But these fit me the best. dave
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Dave. Those look great.
What is the barrel contour? Doesn't look as heavy as the barrels on the 700 varmints.
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No deer at 500. Steel only. Where I hunt max range on a deer is 300.
Have kinda gotten off track a little. What I was really wanting was to take a standard 700 varmint, wrap it in the HTG and work up a good all around load with a bullet such as the BT and top it with a CDS and call it a day.
Already been suggested so 243,260,708,308 in a Remington varmint rifle. Bed in the stock you like best. I like the A3 & A5 for a varmint contour barrel. The 243 sps varmint is the one I see most in my areas and would be a great one for what your wanting to do.
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I call them the Twins.. Both No4 Harts. 270 WCF on top. 280 Ackley on bottom. Dwight Scott was the smith and TM on the stock work. There not lightweights.Schmidt and Benders dont help. The 270 has seen alot more action than the 280. They have to be 20 years old now. These days I run the very same stock in a edge. dave
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I'm currently waiting on a mcmillain classic for my 243. Once it shows up; my hunting rifle battery will pretty much be complete for lightweight, walkaround type rifles.
I'm tossing around the idea of throwing something together that would primarily be a range gun but would still be adeqaute for still hunting whitetail or equally at home in the groundhog or prairie dog fields. Something fairly low recoil and 4-500 yard capable.
My first thoughts were a bone stock 700 varmint in 308 and wrapping it in the Mcmillian HTG. But everything I have read for the most part has people saying the stock is too low for them. I don't like the look of pistol grips of A series of stocks.
All I intend to replace is the stock.
If you were putting together a rig (if you can call it that) such as this. I'm what direction would you take it? 308 probably isn't the wisest choice, maybe the 7-08 or 260 but I'm not sure those are offered in the varmint config. For bench and field I like the McMillian HBR. In the field. [/spoiler]ve7mm/media/2008pig178.jpg.html]
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The thing about the HBR is. You can bench it. dave
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