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Mint NIB from 1992 S&W 4013 single stack .40 S&W and a NIB Ruger SR1911 CMD in .45ACP on the table. Make your argument for which one gets the nod for CCW and farm duty.

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I'd take a 3rd Generation Smith over any 1911 because 3rd Gen Smiths always work and 1911's are a big POS.





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Originally Posted by deflave
I'd take a 3rd Generation Smith over any 1911 because 3rd Gen Smiths always work and 1911's are a big POS.





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Originally Posted by deflave
I'd take a 3rd Generation Smith over any 1911 because 3rd Gen Smiths always work and 1911's are a big POS.





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Originally Posted by deflave
I'd take a 3rd Generation Smith over any 1911 because 3rd Gen Smiths always work and 1911's are a big POS.


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Well, that pretty much sums it up. And I agree.


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I like to have a bunch of magazines for any carry gun and I hate running down vintage magazines. I also dislike DA/SA guns and those with thumb safeties on the slide. I prefer .45 (or 9mm) over .40 S&W. Aside from that, the Smith sounds great. (I probably wouldn't get the Ruger, either, though.)


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Although those S&W 3rd Gen autos are extremely reliable, the mags are hard to find. And if I'm going to carry a single stack auto, it's going to be a .45. I'd have to go with the Ruger 1911 in .45 auto.
Every thing I've read & heard on the Ruger 1911's is that they are an extremely reliable 1911.


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^^^^ Except I would like to try Ruger's LW Commander. 4.25"barrel, bushing and traditional recoil system, titanium feedramp. Not really a Ruger fan here, but this gun intrigues.


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Agreed Dillonbuck. I prefer the Commander size 1911 for concealed carry, and the lightweight version is hard to beat.


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I would go with the 40 cal, but I would see if you can find mags first.

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3rd. gen smith mags are always listed on ebay, but they can be spendy. Usually $40.00-$60.00/ea. Check ebay out, they have about 10 different mags on the first page I looked.


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Magazines and parts can be a concern for the Smith. Not as much for the Ruger as tons of 1911 stuff is out there.

Not looking to open the caliber war of .45ACP vs. .40S&W.

If either was laying on the table, with your preferred holster/manner of carry, with plenty of mags what would you choose?



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The Ruger. Just because I prefer the 1911 platform over the 3rd Gen. S&W's. I shoot a 1911 better than any other Semi-auto pistol I own.

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Neither one of those


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Easy choice. I've owned plenty of 1911s and 3rd gen Smiths and still own a number of the S&Ws. I actually do carry a 4013 TSW. It weighs around 30 oz fully loaded, holds 9 in a double stack mag (there are 2 variants of the 4013, the first variant having a single stack mag and the TSW being a double stack). My next favorite carry gun is my S&W 457S, a compact alloy frame .45 ACP. I feel well armed with either and in fact any 3rd gen S&W.

3rd gen S&W will feed, fire and eject any type of bullet reliably. It will in fact, feed an empty case. Try that on your pistol.

They are durable - in over 25 years, I've never needed to change a part or repair one and I've fired tens of thousands of rounds through various 3rd gen pistols - 9mm, .40, .45, 10mm.

They are inarguably safer to carry, with a round in the chamber.

They have a very short single action trigger reset and I have yet to encounter one that wasn't superbly accurate for it's type.

No modifications are required to get the most out of these pistols for defensive purposes, although you might want to change the recoil spring to match your favorite load. My 4013 came perfectly sprung to handle full power rounds and is quite comfortable to shoot. Accurate follow up shots are very easy, should the need arise.

Spare mags are no problem and if you shop around, can usually be found at reasonable prices. Parts...the likelihood of needing a part for one of these is almost nil. I've never had to search for a part but I have to believe that you could get whatever you need in the highly unlikely event your 3rd gen S&W breaks.

1911 is still a great and iconic design, but there are better solutions and in my experience, the 4013 is one of the best. Safe, reliable, accurate, durable, light and compact. I carry in a leather IWB and once it's on, I don't even notice it's there.

The only problem with some of the 3rd gen S&Ws is availability. But if you're lucky enough to find one, it won't break the bank. My 4013 was a police trade in (in great shape) and if I recall correctly, I paid around $340 and it came with 3 mags. If I'd known how much I'd like it, I'd have bought a couple more.

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For me, the choice was easy. The Smith.
It has the positives of safety, durability, size and weight.

Caliber is just fine. And it was designed from the start with a true case supporting chamber as all .40's should have.

Did not hurt that it is a NIB specimen, original owner, non PD issue piece with box and additional aftermarket grip.

It will get a range workout soon. Doubt it kicks the G26/G19 to the curb for carry, but I bet the results will impress.

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Originally Posted by jimmyp
Neither one of those


I agree.

I would opt for a Glock 19 in 9mm, or a Glock G30S in .45. Both are top contenders in their respective calibers/cartridges.

That said, if you don't want a Glock, there are lots of other great choices.


In the traditional double action category, the CZ-75 or a variant would be a top choice.

In .45 traditional double action, an HK 45 compact would do very well.

In single action 1911 category, unless a person is willing to step up into the custom/semi custom category, like a Les Baer or Ed Brown, I would choose a Colt every time.



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Originally Posted by jimmyp
Neither one of those


We agree on that.

There are lots of good choices for carry guns (besides my preferred G19), but those two ain't it.

If it were my choice, I'd pick whichever was worth more, sell it, and buy a Glock or maybe one of the CZ offerings. But that's just me.

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If you're buying, I can't see the logic in either. If you have either, or both, then they'll each/either/both work fine.


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I'm pretty sure that everybody has owned or fired at least one 1911 variant. But I'm wondering, how many of you who are dismissive of the 4013 as a carry gun have actually handled or fired one???

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