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Huh? I thought I said I appreciated all the advice including yours? I don't recall implying anything other than that I also appreciated the additional information that Jordan supplied?

I'm not sure what angle your coming from?




Trystan

SWFA may have some.

Give your bud my condolences. He could have ended up with a TT or Shilen, but has to suffer Timney instead

I actually don't hate Timney's. They pretty decent, I just much prefer the other two triggers I mentioned before.

So why a 10x and not 3-9x SS?

Actually, this Timney ain't too bad. Feels just like a tuned old school 700 trigger just slightly wider.

It was exactly 3 lbs. out of the package. I took it down to 1.5. Then realized he has never owned a custom trigger and doesn't know what a nice pull feels like. My rifles are the only ones he has ever felt with such low pulls. So I put it at 2 lbs and left it. It has zero creep and only the slightest overtravel. I think he will be well pleased with it.....

Unless I'm totally off base, I think Jordan meant Burris Sig XTR rings. SWFA has them, but opticzone has them cheaper.

10x is half the cost... and functions just as well.

2MG.... you shoulda told your buddy to buy a CTR rather than that POS 5R. It'd have shot better, and wouldn't have needed a Timney.... laffin

Half the price and a great scope to start on. Perfect for medium to long distance shooting.

Oops! Yup, friggin' Stick always calling them Horn rings tripped me up!

To the OP... I'll be a bit of the dissenting opinion here....

I love the .243... and basically none of the advise you've received here has been off base. .243 RAR, SS, and trigger time will go a looooong way in terms of learning to hit schitt for a far piece.

But.... when you throw 600 yard shots at deer in the equation, I'd way rather have a 6.5 Creed or a .260. The RAR Predator in 6.5 Creed or .260, outfitted with a SS 10x is a more than capable rig for both 1000 yard steel and 600 yard hunts. The 123 Amax is easily the equal of the 6mm/105... and can be shot just as fast. AND, you have the option of stepping up to 140s with .600+ BCs. You don't pay much more in recoil... but you can deliver 30% more energy on the target. The RAR-P doesn't weigh much more than the standard RAR.... it comes with a threaded pipe and a rail that'll accept most "tac" style rings. Hell, they make it .243 too.

.243/105s is a very capable long range steel ringing and hunting combo.... the 6.5/123&140 is a little better all-around. Either way... a well know Alaskaloompa once said "spent primers are the ultimate tutorial".... that's sage advice.

RAR-P in .260 with 12x SS atop....



RAR-P in 6.5 Creed with 12x SS atop...



Both rifles shot many sub-MOA groups out past 600 yards... both were easy to load for and shot the 123s and 140s well.

Dog, how would you compare the 123 Amax to the 123 scenar for a deer/antelope bullet?

5Rs shoot quite well. Extremely well, actually.

Should I act like a CTR owner and post group pics to try to prove it

No need.... my CTR has bitch slapped multiple 5Rs...



Dunno... never shot a deer/lope with a 123 Scenar. I've shot a couple coyotes with both.... and one deer with the Amax. The Amax is definitely more violent that the Scenar... I can say that for certain. I'd have no issues running a 123 at a deer or 'lope. I shot a doe antelope at a little over 500 yards with a 130 Berger outta the x47 a couple years back... she went down hard to a solid lung shot. Em's CTR .260 is stoked with 139 Scenars for this deer/elk/lope season. I didn't have any 123s lying around so I went with the 139s I had on the bench. The kids will shoot it too... so there'll be plenty of dead stuff from which to draw a conclusion on that bullet.

Dog, what about the mil-quad reticles on the 10x as compared to the 3-9x....are they the same?

If we were to throw 600 yard elk or bear into the equation I would have gone 6.5 Creed or .260 right out the gate. But for deer and lopes to 600 plus steel out further- that's what the .243 is made for. I've slapped a bunch of deer-sized game way out yonder with the .243/AI, and 105's have never left me wanting for more. My 7Mags got relegated to bigger critters once I started to see what the .243 does to deer with the right bullet. Mag constraints on the RAR mags also favour the .243 and 105's versus larger-caliber, longer pills.

Though it's hard to go wrong with any of those options!

I think the Mil-Quad on the 10x is a bit more pronounced and easier to see.... but that's just me. I've had 3-9s in both the Mil-Quad and Mil-Dot incarnations.... and personally I prefer the Mil-Dot in that scope... especially when the power is turned down below about 6x. Frankly, I rarely had the 3-9 off of 9x... so I figured I might as well just be running a fixed 10x for half the cost. I'll buy another one for the .300 WSM Kimber one of these days... but for now it'll just keep wearing the 3-9 Leupold with Mil-Dot and 1/2 MOA turrets.

The 3-9 SS does have better "glass" than the fixed 6x, 10x, 12x, etc... for what that's worth, and it's a more scent package that the fixed power scopes. For a guy who thinks he needs a variable, and wants to twist turrets.... the 3-9 and 3-15 Super Snipers are about the only move available for under $1000 or so.

The 10x has a finer reticle to my eye, and has hollow diamonds, as where the 3-9x has solid diamonds and is a little bolder IMO. I'm one of the guys who doesn't see a lot of difference between the glass quality in both. The 3-9x has fixed parallax, where the 10x has rear AP.

I don't doubt it Jordan... and you boys have some big deer up your way. I just feel a little better with the added 30% in bullet weight... especially since it costs essentially nothing in terms of components or recoil. A guy really can't go wrong with either set-up...

If Ruger decides to bring out the RAR compact stainless in 6.5 Creed.... I'll be first in line to snatch one up.

Forgot about the open vs. closed diamonds... but it's been a while, and a lot of scopes, since my 3-9 SS days.

I have 55 yr old eyes, and they're not getting any better, hence the reticle question. You guys 10x rec makes perfect sense, and I like it, assuming the reticle is easy to see and use. Appreciate the help.