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Nosler seconds are the cat's meow. They are the best thing going right now. I'm glad some snobs like my left handed buddy doesn't buy them...  . Saves more for us, that do like them.. 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Yeah ! I would not equate 'seconds' to
bullets pulled w/piers.
Bullets recovered with inertia pullers are NOT damaged nearly like using 'pliers'.
I've used collet pullers for years and there is little/no damage to the bullet.
Also 'pliers' and sidecutters aren't the same in my book.
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Nosler seconds are the cat's meow. No they suck and no one in their right mind shoot think about buying them! I personally won't use seconds, sure as hell wouldn't use bullets pulled with plier Yeah that's more like it! Seconds are a danger to the shooter and shot blatant disrespect to the game hunter firsts only should be used. (Cuz I want more for myself  )
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Like Billy Idol said: "More, more, more..." 
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free may be ok, otherwise a waste of powder. been there done that. Even if the bullets are free, you are wasting powder primers and time. Skip this bargain!
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...Even if the bullets are free, you are wasting powder primers and time. Skip this bargain! This. Why bottom feed?
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America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Think about it... if you have to ask if something is a good deal or a good idea, then it probably ain't.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Is asking if things are a good idea, a good idea?
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Think about it... if you have to ask if something is a good deal or a good idea, then it probably ain't. Yeah. Makes sense.
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Like Billy Idol said: "More, more, more..." Also Andra True Connection.  I have a friend that purchased a lot of Government Surplus. He got a 55 gal. barrel full of 5.56 bullets that had been ran through a machine to make them unfit for loading. They had dings and gouges and were unround. There was some carbide bullet dies in the mix and he just had to try. He ran some of them through the carbide dies and loaded up a box. I was quite impressed with the accuracy they produced. IIRC, the largest group was around 2" and the smallest right at an inch. I wouldn't want to be caught loading them in MY magazine but, his experiment really opened my eyes.
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I ran a test doing just this some years back. IIRC, I loaded 100 rounds of .223 with a known accurate load. I puled 30 of them with an inertia puller, 30 with a collett puller, and 30 with a pair of pliers. They were disfigured in pretty much that order: the intertia-pulled were like new, the collet-pulled had small longitudinal marks/grooves, and the pliers-pulled had larger horizontal grooves. Some were visibly out of round, too.
I re-neck-sized the cases I had pulled, put the same charges back in and re-seated the bullets.
At the range, the 10 unpulled rounds made a lovely little group. The intertia-pulled made an almost identical average group (3 groups of 10). The collet-pulled again made almost identical groups. And the ugly pliers-pulled bullets? Ditto. I saw NO significant difference in group size.
I believe that as long as the bases of the bullets are undamaged, slight damage to the sides of the bullets merely "irons out" in the rifling as the bullet shortens and obturates under gas pressure.
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Rocky.....well...since YOU say it, I'd come 'nearer' believing it. I really wouldn't have thot the disfigured rounds would have nearly the same performance. I certainly have shot bullets pulled w/collet & inertia pullers. The few I've pulled and damaged by whatever means I just chunked. It hasn't been that many tho. Thanks Jerry
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That's science, thanks Rocky.
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This is how I have done it forever.....no issues in re-use whatsoever https://youtu.be/oOGWt4o9iEs
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I ran a test doing just this some years back. IIRC, I loaded 100 rounds of .223 with a known accurate load. I puled 30 of them with an inertia puller, 30 with a collett puller, and 30 with a pair of pliers. They were disfigured in pretty much that order: the intertia-pulled were like new, the collet-pulled had small longitudinal marks/grooves, and the pliers-pulled had larger horizontal grooves. Some were visibly out of round, too.
I re-neck-sized the cases I had pulled, put the same charges back in and re-seated the bullets.
At the range, the 10 unpulled rounds made a lovely little group. The intertia-pulled made an almost identical average group (3 groups of 10). The collet-pulled again made almost identical groups. And the ugly pliers-pulled bullets? Ditto. I saw NO significant difference in group size.
I believe that as long as the bases of the bullets are undamaged, slight damage to the sides of the bullets merely "irons out" in the rifling as the bullet shortens and obturates under gas pressure.
This! I've pulled many with my press and pliers. I used them initially to fire form AK brass, and I found them to be plenty accurate, even the ones that slipped a bit. Unless someone has actually shot some, you have no basis to chime in. Bullets conform to the bore long before any significant pressures have churned up and do get ironed out.
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I recently passed on buying some .308" 168 matchkings because they were obviously pulled with a pliers. The guy didn't want much for them but I figured
A- they wouldn't be accurate
B- they may harm my barrel.
Was I right in my assumptions? I read a test quite a while back where bullets had the tips deformed in many ways from flattening them to cutting them completely off. Then they also deformed the bases on other bullets and tested those, also. The bullets with the tips deformed shot about normally at 100 yards. I believe they lost accuracy past that point, but not rapidly. The bullets with the bases deformed lost a lot of accuracy at 100 and much more and rapidly past that. This may not exactly answer the question but should give you an idea that the tip of the bullet is not nearly as critical as the base.
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I've bought and shot Sierra seconds that shot better than the boxed, identical SKU stuff.
I haven't had the same luck with those in .224", but the .308s were superb.
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