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What do you consider to best,lightest recoiling long range cartridge?

Depends on your definition of long range and what you want the bullet to do when it gets there.

John

243 Win with appropriate twist rate.

.223 or the AI version, 8" twist, and 75AM.

6 Dasher.

6mm Remington or the 6.5 Creedmoor.

For my purposes

280AI (elk / Deer)

25/06 (yotes / lopes)

243 for Pdogs


I use a 260 for anything under 300 deer
9.3x62 for anything elk on up under 300
204 for yotes to pdogs under 300

I use 300 as the Long range boundary because -
- Most people I train have problems hitting past 200 (you need to know what your doing)
- at 300 the wind and bullet dynamics really start making a significant difference
- Most gun ranges stop under 300 so people don't always have access

So unless you live in the boonies or west of Kansas City (plains) your pretty challenged past 300. Even then if you don't apply yourself it's easy to get messed up.

You're really gonna have to decide if you want a viable big game caliber or not.

I would not have a problem using a 6.5 to 7mm for big game. YMMV.

For me, 180 grains at 3000 fps is about all the recoil I want to manage for a LR shot. The 7's deliver that in spades. If you're gonna run a brake, that's another thing.

So there's no easy answer here!

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/593403519

this is what I have. Basically no recoil

you didn't specify whether you're varmint hunting vs deer or elk or ?

For steel, paper, or varmints - 223, 223ai, with a 77, 80, or 90 - take your pick.

I guess it depends on what you are doing with it:

I do a lot of my practice sessions with a .223 and 69gn to 77gn bullets. I shoot a lot of alts at 200-300yds with 69gn and will use the 77gn to shoot to around 600yds. I've even used them to shoot DMR matches to 600yds and may use one in the new 3GN Long Range match next month using 75gn or 77gn since targets only go to 750yds.

When it comes to LR matches I shoot a 6.5 Creedmoor with 140-142gn bullets and recoil is light; when I use a break it is next to non-existent. Honestly, I don't find a .308 Win with 175gn to 190gn bullets objectionable and with a can/break it is also very mild. The 6.5 is faster, flatter, and gives up less drift with less recoil. It's hard to argue against it.

For deer hunting I tend to use a 7mm Rem Mag with 168gn to 180gn bullets. I would use a 6.5 Creed or .308 Win for deer but my rifles are significantly heavier than my 7mm so I don't tote them on hunts.

I only offered the 4 chamberings because I don't shoot anything crazy anymore. I don't do wildcats that can't shoot something store bought if I get in a jam. The .243 Win is awesome but you can't buy LR ammo for it except through custom companies so that eliminates it for me. The BRX, XC, etc are handload propositions.

I rather enjoy stretching FWB 300S legs and it's potential/abilities are reliably a Mind Fhuqk for folks. Yet anothergreat way to hone Wind Reading skeelz.



22LR,17 Hummer and 17 Whizzum...all will getcha past the 500yd line in style. Set up right,700yds is no thang.



The 10/22 is the weakest link,as it only has 85MOA remaining on it's erector,after a 50yd zero. The 54 22LR's wear 75MOA extended 1913 rails and have better than 40 Mils remaining on the erector zero'd same and 10 more on the windshield,for 50 Mils+ total. Them thangs is handy.

The 1717D HB wears a like rail of like comeups and is simply plum sinister.




The 77/22 17 Hummer wearing a 18" .720" LW Clark spout and RB trigger,do very nice thangs,but has trite erector travel in comparison. That fact alone,kicks it outta contention with other platforms that will happily accept greater inclination.

As centerfire goes,it don't get any better than 223AI or 270.

Heavy 270 here,with 105 Hornie HPBT's...Bart MTU-esque 1-7.75" and Smooches fed ala MDT poly 10's or AM 5rd steels.




Light 270 here(18" 1-8" Brux)...it'll easily reach the 2000yd line.



I've prolly got a few 223's and 223AI's as well...where 75's rule the roost. Hornie HPBT's in Krunchentickers,A-Max everywhere else.

Just may gun a few other chamberings as well.

My apologies: Ranges 400-700yds

Anything from coyote to jihadists

Was wondering if the 6.5 Creed would fit the bill...

Most certainly will fill that need. Better than 700yds 22LR or bantam 2000yds 270Win in my opinion but it appears I have a whole lot to learn.

6.5 Creed would do that splendidly.

But for play don't miss the 8 twist 223 suggestions.

This......

Holds damn near every 600 or 1K BR record out there, and does it with 33-34 grains of powder at 243 velocities with 105 class bullets.

'mark,

700yds is a Chip Shot with a 223 SALAMI slingin' 75A-Max. 2900fps is a Lever' fueled breeze and slices atmospherics rather nicely. With a 200yd Milford zero with same,the 700yd line is a paltry 4.7 MIL correction and 1.9 MILS of wind in a 10mph full value. So the wind beats that boolit up to the tune of 4.75" per every (1) MPH at the 700yd line. That assuredly ain't shabby performance,with 26grs of powder. Lotsa folks burn a lot more powder,to do worse. Hint.

The Creed' is a new spin,on an Old Theme,in that it is essentially a mildly improved 6.5-250. It's greatest attributes are that it is by and large spun tight,throated right and has generous COAL latitude in OEM guise. It's turn-key goodness,whereas many exemplary chamberings are lacking in those requisite fields.

I'm not a 6.5 guy,but there are certainly some favorable projectiles in that bore sizing and nice thangs can be done. Mechanical Recoil is a function of charge weight,boolit weight and rifle weight. The Creed' is more forgiving than many in that facet. FELT Recoil is a function of those things,in conjunction with stock ergo's,construction and pad type...if only for starters. Can a guy field a forgiving Creed' less a Loudener? Of course.

It might could look like this.



With a thunk given to projectile selection,base/ring inclination and an erector of copious depth,the 2000yd line is a breeze with a Creed'(amongst a host of other sedate chamberings). The 130 JLK is a fhuqking Sinister sonofabitch,but the chambering certainly wouldn't begin to come close to making my list for a Light Recoil Play Toy,as I'd much rather stay .378" boltface for the application(s) cited.

Nice Place To Be On An Erector

Less is very often more and I dig a 75HPBT Hornie flingin' Krunchenticker,well past the real estate cited. More speed and a better BC ala the 75A-Max only sweetens the pot. Add DBM copious COAL latitude and goodness happens by default.

My 18" BHW 8" LW Middie Slim Shady wearing an Illuminatti,has sold alotta builds/glass,after folks mash the trigger(CMC) well beyond the 1000yd line. Pass the ASC 10-rounders and their COAL increase. Hint.




A Montucky Adirondack Creed' don't suck,as a Utility Rifle.



Nor do a BHW Faux '12 SPR,or a 8" Liljee 22-250 Aye-Eye,or a Montucky 8" 6BR,or a PN 9" 7 Whizzum flanking same. Pass the .378" boltface for an All Arounder,if only because I gun a few chamberings and am afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess. Hint.

I'd rather have a 6mm Creed'(6XC) and they prolly look like this,in a 8" at 20". The Hornie 105HPBT is a Beast.



The 223AI easily remains my favorite chambering of ALL Time and I'm rather at ease in giving others the first poke and batting clean up. A 1-8" 21-incher chambered same,will reliably blow minds.

Hint.................














"Performance",

The ONLY thing fhuqking funnier than the AMAZINGLY lonnnggggggg list of things you don't know,is the list of things you THINK you "know". Congratulations?!?

Someone who "knows" as "much" as you,is always going to be best served by shutting the fhuqk up and furiously scribing notes. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Thank me later.

Laughing!...................















'F,

I hear good thangs about an 8" 223 in both SALAMI and Aye-Eye. Have SALAMI's in 7,8,9,12 and 14"...Aye-Eye's in 7,8,9,10,12 and 14". No contours smaller than reduced Montucky or greater than 700 receiver diameter in the larder,but most itches have done been did scratched.

With a Creed' slingin' the 143ELD at 2700fps,it drops 3" less than a SALAMI 223 75A-Max at 2900fps...both zero'd at the 200yd line and of like sight height. The extry BC due cut wind drift favorably and deviates 3.25" for every (1) MPH of 700yd full value wind.

A 21" 223AI with the 75'Max at 3150fps drops 18" less at the 700yd line and drifts 3.9" for every (1) MPH of wind at same.

Perspective is often intellesting.................(grin)















'alf,

Are you tryin' to talk me into a Dasher?!?

A 20" #3 contoured Chassis Bitch Dasher,prolly wouldn't suck for giggles. I reckon the Primal AICS mag conversions would do just fine.



Kinda temptin',if only for R&D..............

Seems some occasionally mention leading a bag of "Ol Roy" to water.....grin.....

The Dasher throws another 150 in the case, w/o losing the original attributes. You're there with the mag already. I always ran them in a stock S/A mag just fine, as long as you start at the f'ing start........wink....

If I were going to go with the .223AI in an 8 twist, are there any decent factory guns available or do I need to go custom?

Tikka for the 8-twist, getting it AI'd would be aftermarket.