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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Partitions are never a wrong choice, unless your rifle does not like them.


^^^^^THIS^^^^^ is what I've always believed Jorge, probably have more partition loads in my smokless hunting rifles than any other bullet, have had no negative issues to date.

Plus, your old 300 H&H shoots the hell outta the 220 gr Partitions with H-4831 at a fine 2750 fps, averaging less than 2" groups at 100 through the Redfield receiver peep. smile

I really can't think what that load wouldn't handily level either.


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Good to hear! On my second safari I used 180 Partitions in my 300 Weatherby with no problems at all. One shot kills and complete pass throughs. My ONLY beef with Partitions is I prefer a cannelure and NPs usually don't have them. I've switched to mostly TTSXs mainly because they've been so uniform accurate across all calibers, and to date have also performed well.


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10-4 Jorge, I've heard of no flies on the TTSX's either! cool


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DF,

When I read the post title I was hoping to see a picture if you with a big ol buff!

I wish your friend the best of luck and the grandest of experiences!


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Thanks, Bob

Doubt I'll ever make that hunt.

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Never say never.


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Originally Posted by Model70Guy
Never say never.

Thanks for that positive response.

My bud is a few years younger, in top shape, a great marksman/hunter. He's a natural for such a hunt. He'll do great.

That stretch from 60's to 70's is significant, as anyone who's been there, done that can attest. I'm in the latter category, he's not yet there. Makes a difference.

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Just killed my 3rd Cape Buffalo at age 63. Physically it was much harder than I thought. If you hunt one of the smaller game farms in RSA you should be okay, as the buffalo can usually be found within an hour's walk (or less) and there are enough tracks (roads) to get fairly close to the animals before the walking begins.

As for the Swift A-frame I have used them for the first shot on all 3 Cape Buffalos and think they work perfectly for the first shot.

The first buffalo ran about 40 yards after a single shot from 30 yds and died without a followup.

The second buffalo humped up at the first shot, and then took 2 more shoulder shots (with 400gr Barnes solids), before charging. He died before another shot was needed.

The third buffalo was hit perfectly in the shoulder and ran about 40 yards before collapsing. A second follow up shot (again Barnes solid) was used as insurance, but I doubt the bull would have regained his feet.

And to my comment "Actually a Swift A-frame is a partition bullet"

that is exactly what you stated "Technically the A-Frame is a partition, not the Partition..."

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As stated, I have personally had excellent performance with the Swift A-Frame as a first shot on multiple cape buff. If you want to use a Nosler Partition for your first shot, be my guest. You pay your money and you take your chance. It is, after all, your safari and ultimately, your life that's on the line.

My suggestion is that you contact your PH and see what his recommendation is for the first shot. After all, it's his neck, too and he is a professional hunter, so it's not only his business to know, but his business to advise you accordingly. Should you bugger the shot or if your bullet fails and your buff heads into the jess after the first shot, it's his responsibility to dig it out. If he believes you are competent, he will invite you to accompany him on that mission. If not, he will have a tracker escort you back to the safari car while he goes in after it. I would be surprised if he recommends the Nosler Partition as a first shot on cape buff. Please let us know what he says on the matter and if you decide on a Nosler Partition for the first shot on your cape buff, be sure to let us know how it worked out for you.

Any bullet is capable of failing, given the right set of circumstances. When hunting DG, it is wise to stack the odds in your favor. I don't receive freebies from Swift or Nosler. Neither pays for my safaris. It makes no difference to me what bullet you use. But it should make a difference to you. Seek out the advice of professional hunters who hunt DG day in and day out. Go to the DSC and SCI conventions and speak to the professionals who populate the outfitter booths there. See what they recommend.

I have never tried a Barnes TSX on cape buff, so I have no opinion. North Forks don't feed reliably in my .416 Rigby, so I have never hunted with them. Woodleigh Weldcores are, IMO, also too soft for buff. Again based on personal experience, my opinion of the Federal TBBC is low. I am bringing Woodleigh cup point monometal solids with me on my next hunt, and I'll let you know how they do afterwards. My PH recommended them for both cape buff and elephant, which are on our menu.

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Very interesting WM70, could you please go into detail on the partition failures you've witnessed?

Hunting Africa is very expensive and time consuming, I'd hate to take the wrong bullets in my 375 H&H, 416 Taylor or 458 Win Mag, better yet go over there and make a mess of things, Rodeos are only fun at the Fairgrounds!

I've never used em in Africa, but have NEVER had one fail.

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Re; My post of October 21st, I shot a large (55") kudu a few years ago with a 225 grain NP out of a .338 at 200 yards. Bullet placement was correct. The bullet basically turned itself inside out and there was very little left when we recovered it. The base portion was indistinguishable. It took a second shot to finish it off. Yes, the animal went down when hit. But the recovered bullet left me unimpressed with it's overall integrity. Again, a great cat bullet, but not my first choice in general for the larger ungulates. YMMV.




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I love bullet threads. They tend to very opinionated and based on limited actual experience, some internet experience, and some anecdotal evidence. So here is my opinion on bullets for buffalos, both fact and anecdotal based.

First it is almost impossible to really prove which bullet is best on live buffalo. If you could test 10 different bullet brands/weights firing 5 bullets each time from 4 different angles, it would only take 200 bullets and 200 buffalo of similar size to cooperate for somewhat reliable results.

That being said you can also shoot newspaper, which if done properly can give consistent results. Before somebody says it, newspaper is not skin, flesh, and bone.

My opinion is based on shooting enough buffalo and testing bullets in newspaper to form a somewhat educated opinion. If I am shooting a 375 or 416 the North Fork bonded bullet is in my opinion the best bullet out there. I also like the 300 grain bullet. The TSX also performs extremely well. The Swift A-frame is very good. I would never hunt buffalo with a Partition or DGX. Those opinions coincide with PH's I have hunted with, internet hunt reports, along with testing in newsprint, not animals, I just do not trust them enough to even try them on buffalo. By the way PH's are at times some of the worse ballisticians around. One of the best PH/Conservationists in Africa believes in solids for everything, so being a good PH does not mean you also know much about bullets.

I have never loaded a bullet that was not accurate enough for buffalo. Hunting buffalo is not target shooting. 1" at 50 yards is way more than good enough.

Velocity is important in bullet performance. Too fast and you can disintegrate a lesser bullet. Too slow some bullets will not expand, I have seen that happen with a 45-70 on a buffalo, but that is another story. The North Fork worked the best over a wide range of velocities, it held together as hard as I could push them.

In my 470 Nitro, I like the North Cup Point solids for buffalo. They expand and penetrate. A bullet I hate is the CEB Safari Raptors. I think the concept is ridiculous. The only thing is they are devastating on buffalo. I have hammered some buffalo with my 470 and the Raptors. I even dropped one with one of the original concept copper bullets in its tracks. Back then we called them BBW Non Cons. (Bastard Bullet Works non-conventional).

I also always carry solids. I almost always have one in my left barrel or in my magazine. And I will only shoot flat nose solids from either CEB or North Fork.

Those are my opinions; take them for what they are worth.

Again for what it is worth, these are a couple of pictures from bullet testing.


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Good stuff, even for a Cajun... laugh

Thanks for posting.

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Originally Posted by Winchestermodel70
On my upcoming DG hunt, I'm only bringing my .470 and am going to give Woodleigh cup point solids as loaded by Federal a try.


Not sure who started the cup point solid thing, but the NF cup point solid in my .470 NE did pretty well on buffalo. I think I've posted this photo before, but for those who missed it, here it is again. Pretty good size hole from a .475" diameter bullet. This one worked for me, but who knows, the next ten may fail miserably.

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The heart of a buffalo shot with a .470NE North Fork cup point solid.




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I second Mike70560's opinion about North Fork 300 grain bonded soft points. I recovered two of their 300 grain bullets, one from a Cape buffalo. They all weighed 290 or 291 grains.

At first I had feeding problems. North Fork advised me to seat them a bit deeper, which solved the problem. Crimping in the groove is simply not necessary for a .375 H&H.


Two pieces of advice not given by the other posters:

1. Read "Africa's Most Dangerous" by Kevin Robertson.

2. In pricing hunts, remember that you often get what you pay for. Request at least five references and check them out.


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