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I'm thinking about purchasing a lightweight bolt rifle, probably in my long-favorite caliber of 308 Win. I'd appreciate any first-hand input on the brand(s) of rifles you'd recommend: Sako 85 Carbonlight? Kimber Mountain Ascent? What others are out there that are in the same weight range that should be considered?

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Montana, hands down. Although mine is a 270, I'd be just as happy if it was 243, 6.5 Creed, 308.....

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John,I would rule out the Sako on a light weight rifle simply because of the scope mounting issues. There are no light weight scope mounts for Sako except the Leupold Ringmounts and they have to be in the last 1/3 of the dovetail before they will tighten on the dovetail. This leaves you trying to pick a scope with a tube long enough or with eye relief long enough to have a good sight picture when mounting without having to adjust your head.


After that the top picks for me would be
1. NULA
2.Barrett Fieldcraft
3.Cooper Excalibur
4 Kimber Mountain Ascent or Montana


The NULA is $3500 and I have no idea how long on delivery. The action won't be stainless if that matters to you. The stock is thicker in the wrist than on a Kimber and I prefer the Kimber 3 position safety.

The Barrett Fieldcraft looks promising but it's basically an unknown right now. If anyone can do one right however Barrett should be able to.

The Cooper is a bit heavier than the rest but it does come with a 1/2 MOA guarantee. The non bolt locking safety turns me off and is the reason I haven't bought one. They do have an all stainless version.

The Kimber may require a bit of work to get it perfect. You may have to bed it,and worse case replace the barrel. It has the best stock of any I listed and the ergo's are the best IMHO.The good news is that even if you replace the barrel and have it bedded by a competent smith,you are still at the price of the next lowest priced in the list,(unless you go Ascent). Kimber has been producing good rifles as of late so it's also a good chance it will be perfect as received.

I own a Kimber Montana and I will be buying the Barrett next year.

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Love the Montana but can't like the Ascent. The stock feels like a Hoque overmold with that camo on there.

The Barrett could very well be killer but a Montana with a PacNor is gonna run close in price. I could see the 7-08 and .308 taking advantage of the 3" mag box as would a .260 but the .243 and 22-250 don't really need it.


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Second RHClark. Fieldcraft for me. The pillar got boogered while I was bedding my Montana and luckily live 7 miles from Barrett Firearms loaned me a Fieldcraft.

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Stupid simple.. and I kick myself for not going this route myself smile

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Weatherby Ultra lightweight. 5-3/4 lbs bare. A little higher on the price range but no worse than a Kimber MT Ascent

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I've been chasing lightweight rifles for 40 years. Finally ended up with a Kimber. If you really want a rifle that CAN be scoped and still keep the weight under 6 lbs they are a bargain. And I have no complaints with the potential accuracy of mine.

But I've also came to the conclusion that it is about 1 lb too light. Something right around 7 lbs scoped seems to be the perfect balance of carryability and shootability, at least for me.

Out of the box a Tikka T-3 will do that. So will a Rem 700 or Savage in an Edge stock. My current go-to rifle is a Winchester 70 EW in an Edge. At 7 1/4 lbs is right on the edge of being heavier than I want. But close enough.

For the money Tikka wins though.


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Originally Posted by ChipM
Weatherby Ultra lightweight. 5-3/4 lbs bare. A little higher on the price range but no worse than a Kimber MT Ascent


Absolutely second this one.

I purchased a Savage 16 Light Weight Hunter the other day. They come in .308 at 5 lb 10 0z. They are stainless.


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Weatherby Ultra lightweight. 5-3/4 lbs bare. A little higher on the price range but no worse than a Kimber MT Ascent


Absolutely second this one.

I purchased a Savage 16 Light Weight Hunter the other day. They come in .308 at 5 lb 10 0z. They are stainless.


Have you shot it yet? I would like to hear your evaluation when you get a chance.

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Mine are:

1) Weatherby Ultralight in 30-06.
2) Kimber Montana in 7-08
3) Tikka Supperlight in 308
4) Winchester Featherweight in 7x57
5) Remington Mountain Rifle in 260

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Have you shot it yet? I would like to hear your evaluation when you get a chance.


The one I bought is a .223. I got it to have it rebarreled to .300 Blackout because I was tired of fooling with the Ruger American. Really glad it's gone. smile I bought a 17 1/2" 8" twist barrel for $69 bucks. A special for this month is no shipping cost.


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Another vote for Kimber Ascent in .270. Had mine out for the first time this morning. 5lbs, 15oz empty. Carries like a .22... Hope to blood it over the next two weeks.



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My M85 Sako Finnlight 260 rem 1.5-5X VX3 with sling and ammo 6 pounds 13 ounces, I swapped out that scope for a 1-6 VX6 firedot and it is in at 7 pounds even-less ammo.
My M85 Sako Finnlight 308 win 3-9 VX2CDS is 7 pounds 1 ounce with ammo and sling.

I use leupold rings, and for the scopes I use, no issues. They are a couple/few ounces less than 2 piece optilocks. Both guns shoot almost anything under 1 moa. Great trigger, good ergonomics, easy to find a consistent accurate load and no drama. I am real happy with mine, I trust them.

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Originally Posted by Terryk
My M85 Sako Finnlight 260 rem 1.5-5X VX3 with sling and ammo 6 pounds 13 ounces, I swapped out that scope for a 1-6 VX6 firedot and it is in at 7 pounds even-less ammo.
My M85 Sako Finnlight 308 win 3-9 VX2CDS is 7 pounds 1 ounce with ammo and sling.

I use leupold rings, and for the scopes I use, no issues. They are a couple/few ounces less than 2 piece optilocks. Both guns shoot almost anything under 1 moa. Great trigger, good ergonomics, easy to find a consistent accurate load and no drama. I am real happy with mine, I trust them.


Finding a scope and ring combo is a lot easier with the short actions.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
Montana, hands down. Although mine is a 270, I'd be just as happy if it was 243, 6.5 Creed, 308.....



Word.

I have a 243 and 270 but want a Creed or 22-250 next.



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Originally Posted by John_Havard
I'm thinking about purchasing a lightweight bolt rifle, probably in my long-favorite caliber of 308 Win. I'd appreciate any first-hand input on the brand(s) of rifles you'd recommend: Sako 85 Carbonlight? Kimber Mountain Ascent? What others are out there that are in the same weight range that should be considered?


Given some of the lightweight rifle threads, we first have to define "lightweight"..........

6 1/2 lbs or less all up--Ultralight.

7 lbs or less--Lightweight.

7 - 7 1/2 lbs--normal sporter.

7 1/2 to 8 lbs--dont walk to far from the truck.

Over 8 lbs--hire a gunbearer..........


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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
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Weatherby Ultra lightweight. 5-3/4 lbs bare. A little higher on the price range but no worse than a Kimber MT Ascent


Absolutely second this one.

I purchased a Savage 16 Light Weight Hunter the other day. They come in .308 at 5 lb 10 0z. They are stainless.


Have you shot it yet? I would like to hear your evaluation when you get a chance.


I have a stainless Savage lightweight in 223 and love it. I haven't had it long. One of the first loads I developed gave me a 3/4 inch 3 shot group. The trigger is great. The magazine latch is a bit cheesy, but it flat out works. $425 after the rebate (that is still going I believe) The gun is very well balanced. It feels good in the hand and on the shoulder. It's a bargain.

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My next one will be either a Kimber Montana or Adiondack in 6.5 Creed or .308. Don't think you can beat either one for the price of a true lightweight.

Only lightweight rifle I own is my WW Model 70 Featherweight XTR in 7x57. Of all my many hunting rifles, it's my favorite, and quite a bit lighter than the rest.

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My votes go to Kimber Montana or NULA/ULA . I am not a .308 fan, but other calibers in these brands have served me well. I have a Pre-64 Winchester FWT in 270 Win, but it is not in the same category with regard to weight.

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Originally Posted by JMR40
I've been chasing lightweight rifles for 40 years. Finally ended up with a Kimber. If you really want a rifle that CAN be scoped and still keep the weight under 6 lbs they are a bargain. And I have no complaints with the potential accuracy of mine.

But I've also came to the conclusion that it is about 1 lb too light. Something right around 7 lbs scoped seems to be the perfect balance of carryability and shootability, at least for me.

Out of the box a Tikka T-3 will do that. So will a Rem 700 or Savage in an Edge stock. My current go-to rifle is a Winchester 70 EW in an Edge. At 7 1/4 lbs is right on the edge of being heavier than I want. But close enough.

For the money Tikka wins though.


I was wondering if you were going to say that. I'm pretty intrigued by the Tikka, as of late, myself... I shoot left hand, so that's even 1 more reason to try one out... However, I'd probably just end up buying another righty....


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Originally Posted by donsm70
My votes go to Kimber Montana or NULA/ULA . I am not a .308 fan, but other calibers in these brands have served me well. I have a Pre-64 Winchester FWT in 270 Win, but it is not in the same category with regard to weight.

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Not quite, but as JMR40 stated earlier there's a happy medium when it comes to weight, balance and shootability and I'll tell you, at 6.5 pounds, my old 270 fwt is damn hard to beat.... The Tikka and Montana are damn intriguing though when it comes right down to it...


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I've been chasing lightweight rifles for 40 years. Finally ended up with a Kimber. If you really want a rifle that CAN be scoped and still keep the weight under 6 lbs they are a bargain. And I have no complaints with the potential accuracy of mine.

But I've also came to the conclusion that it is about 1 lb too light. Something right around 7 lbs scoped seems to be the perfect balance of carryability and shootability, at least for me.

Out of the box a Tikka T-3 will do that. So will a Rem 700 or Savage in an Edge stock. My current go-to rifle is a Winchester 70 EW in an Edge. At 7 1/4 lbs is right on the edge of being heavier than I want. But close enough.

For the money Tikka wins though.


I was wondering if you were going to say that. I'm pretty intrigued by the Tikka, as of late, myself... I shoot left hand, so that's even 1 more reason to try one out... However, I'd probably just end up buying another righty....


I don't think I would put the Tikka in the same class as truly light weights like the Kimber, NULA, or Barrett. It would still be a fine light weight rifle but I think I would choose a long action caliber since the action is going to be long anyway.

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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
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I've been chasing lightweight rifles for 40 years. Finally ended up with a Kimber. If you really want a rifle that CAN be scoped and still keep the weight under 6 lbs they are a bargain. And I have no complaints with the potential accuracy of mine.

But I've also came to the conclusion that it is about 1 lb too light. Something right around 7 lbs scoped seems to be the perfect balance of carryability and shootability, at least for me.

Out of the box a Tikka T-3 will do that. So will a Rem 700 or Savage in an Edge stock. My current go-to rifle is a Winchester 70 EW in an Edge. At 7 1/4 lbs is right on the edge of being heavier than I want. But close enough.

For the money Tikka wins though.


I was wondering if you were going to say that. I'm pretty intrigued by the Tikka, as of late, myself... I shoot left hand, so that's even 1 more reason to try one out... However, I'd probably just end up buying another righty....


I don't think I would put the Tikka in the same class as truly light weights like the Kimber, NULA, or Barrett. It would still be a fine light weight rifle but I think I would choose a long action caliber since the action is going to be long anyway.


What about the Tikka superlite? The specs on them say 6 pounds..


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I've been chasing lightweight rifles for 40 years. Finally ended up with a Kimber. If you really want a rifle that CAN be scoped and still keep the weight under 6 lbs they are a bargain. And I have no complaints with the potential accuracy of mine.

But I've also came to the conclusion that it is about 1 lb too light. Something right around 7 lbs scoped seems to be the perfect balance of carryability and shootability, at least for me.

Out of the box a Tikka T-3 will do that. So will a Rem 700 or Savage in an Edge stock. My current go-to rifle is a Winchester 70 EW in an Edge. At 7 1/4 lbs is right on the edge of being heavier than I want. But close enough.

For the money Tikka wins though.


I was wondering if you were going to say that. I'm pretty intrigued by the Tikka, as of late, myself... I shoot left hand, so that's even 1 more reason to try one out... However, I'd probably just end up buying another righty....


I don't think I would put the Tikka in the same class as truly light weights like the Kimber, NULA, or Barrett. It would still be a fine light weight rifle but I think I would choose a long action caliber since the action is going to be long anyway.


What about the Tikka superlite? The specs on them say 6 pounds..


Yes,but the Montana,NULA,and Barrett are 5 lbs. You can be at 6 lbs with scope and mounts.

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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
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Originally Posted by ChipM
Weatherby Ultra lightweight. 5-3/4 lbs bare. A little higher on the price range but no worse than a Kimber MT Ascent


Absolutely second this one.

I purchased a Savage 16 Light Weight Hunter the other day. They come in .308 at 5 lb 10 0z. They are stainless.


Have you shot it yet? I would like to hear your evaluation when you get a chance.


I had my 7-08 model 16 LWH re-stocked by Todd Bettin with one of his carbon stocks. With a 3-9 Accupoint, it weights 6.4#. I finally got it out last week. Once it was sighted in, it put 2 shots into same hole that I thought I pulled it off the paper. Unfortunately after those 2, I set the zero on the turrets and replaced the caps. In the process I spun them inadvertently, so I didn't get any "real" groups. I'm pretty sure from what I've seen, I won't be messing with handloading any 162 ELD-M. I'll stick with the 120 Ballistic Tip factory loading.

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Out of the Kimbers, Mountain Guides and Ti short actions I like my Forbes best. It just fits me. Great trigger,stock and shoots awesome out of the box w/no messing around. 6lb 3oz scoped with a 13oz scope. I should have bought more! Fingers crossed Barrett does it right.

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The majority of the lightweight rifles are to pricey for me. What works for me is a Ruger 77 Hawkeye Compact in 308......weighs in about 6 3/4 lb. scoped. Can't argue with the accuracy using factory Hornady Whitetail ammo.

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NO question for my use....
Model 70 Featherweight, Short Action...
2 x 7 Leupold scope on top...

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Originally Posted by ChipM
Weatherby Ultra lightweight. 5-3/4 lbs bare. A little higher on the price range but no worse than a Kimber MT Ascent


Okay, ya got me.. definitely choice number two...

have handled a few, and admit I really really liked them..


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Remington model 7 is a sleeper.



Pretty much need to drop it into a lightweight stock, but if you do it sure does make a nice handy rifle.


I received a Model 7 SS 7mm-08 as a College grad present. Used it plenty, but as I obtained other rifles it sat more and more. Dropped it into a Brown FS stock a few years back and it's quickly become one of my favorites. Completely changed the handling characteristics and dropped nearly a pound.


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I'll take a M70 Featherweight. May not be "lightweight" by today's standards, but they are the "rightweight" for me. smile

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NO question for my use....
Model 70 Featherweight, Short Action...
2 x 7 Leupold scope on top...


I have this exact setup (SS 308) in a McMillan Edge stock with PT&G Al bottom metal, but I consider it a midweight, not a lightweight.


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Remington model 7 is a sleeper.


With its thin barrel configuration (as originally offered), it should continue to stay asleep IMO!


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Originally Posted by southtexas
I'll take a M70 Featherweight. May not be "lightweight" by today's standards, but they are the "rightweight" for me. smile

Pre-64 M70 Fwt in McM Edge stock and Lyman 48WJS. 6lbs, 13oz as shown. 7lbs 6oz with Montana sling and 5 cartridges. Light enough, and feels good in the hands...

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Originally Posted by southtexas
I'll take a M70 Featherweight. May not be "lightweight" by today's standards, but they are the "rightweight" for me. smile


I'm somewhat in this camp. I like a rifle that's about 7# all up. Maybe just a whisker lighter.
The JC Higgins 51L ((Husqvarna/Hi Standard) is pretty sweet in this regard and a very good shooter. If you drop it in a McM it's the berries. I have one in 7x57 and one in '06. The handling is excellent. Almost too light in the McM.

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Originally Posted by ChipM
Weatherby Ultra lightweight. 5-3/4 lbs bare. A little higher on the price range but no worse than a Kimber MT Ascent


I have one of these that I bought from Wes 7x57 here in 30-06
will group Fed Blue Box 150 gr. into 1/2 in. if you give the
thin barrel time to cool.
I sent it to Hired Gun here for Cerakote externals
Micro-Slick internals mounted a New Leupold FX-3 6x42
with a GERMAN #4 reticle
I have about $1450 all in for this total set up
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Remington model 7 is a sleeper.



Pretty much need to drop it into a lightweight stock, but if you do it sure does make a nice handy rifle.


I received a Model 7 SS 7mm-08 as a College grad present. Used it plenty, but as I obtained other rifles it sat more and more. Dropped it into a Brown FS stock a few years back and it's quickly become one of my favorites. Completely changed the handling characteristics and dropped nearly a pound.


I have a FS and a KS that I had the dumb luck (or youthful insight) to buy in the 80's. Both are great rifles. Agree with you that the current factory stocks leave a lot to be desired.


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The majority of the lightweight rifles are to pricey for me. What works for me is a Ruger 77 Hawkeye Compact in 308......weighs in about 6 3/4 lb. scoped. Can't argue with the accuracy using factory Hornady Whitetail ammo.

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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Originally Posted by Orion2000
Originally Posted by southtexas
I'll take a M70 Featherweight. May not be "lightweight" by today's standards, but they are the "rightweight" for me. smile

Pre-64 M70 Fwt in McM Edge stock and Lyman 48WJS. 6lbs, 13oz as shown. 7lbs 6oz with Montana sling and 5 cartridges. Light enough, and feels good in the hands...

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Very nice rifle. Mine weigs 6.5 pounds.
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You can take this one, just the way it is, and hunt the hell out of it. If 6.5 pounds is too heavy, it's a damn good thing they make golf carts to carry your bags... laugh . Unlike many here, though, I consider a "lightweight" rifle anything under 8 pounds... wink


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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I don't really need a lightweight but by the time you add up scope and mounts, sling and ammo and maybe a bipod it adds up quick.


Why not start out light and go from there provided it's an all day walk around rifle?


My 243 MT is 6.5lbs scoped and loaded.

The 270 MT is damn near 8.5lbs scoped and loaded along with a Harris and sling.
(I wouldn't want it any heavier...)

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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Very nice rifle. Mine weigs 6.5 pounds.
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You can take this one, just the way it is, and hunt the hell out of it. If 6.5 pounds is too heavy, it's a damn good thing they make golf carts to carry your bags... laugh . Unlike many here, though, I consider a "lightweight" rifle anything under 8 pounds... wink

Yep, that was the impetus for mine. You kept posting multiple pictures, I finally said "OK, I'll try one of those..." Have 4 new-to-me rifles to hunt this year. Kimber Ascent went for a walk yesterday. Hopefully the Pre-64 will get some field time over the next two weeks...



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Originally Posted by ChipM
Weatherby Ultra lightweight. 5-3/4 lbs bare. A little higher on the price range but no worse than a Kimber MT Ascent


I have one of these that I bought from Wes 7x57 here in 30-06
will group Fed Blue Box 150 gr. into 1/2 in. if you give the
thin barrel time to cool.
I sent it to Hired Gun here for Cerakote externals
Micro-Slick internals mounted a New Leupold FX-3 6x42
with a GERMAN #4 reticle
I have about $1450 all in for this total set up
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I own or have owned a few and been around a few more. 338-06,240 WM, 280's 270's and a 300 win mag, all have shot sub moa but will open as the barrel heats up quick. Really interested in trying a new one with the 22" barrel in standard calibers and slimmed stock. Also have a Mark V 7mm-08 carbine in a B&C Medalist with Talleys and 2x7 leupold goes 6 lb 8 oz and shots sub moa all day.

I want to love the Montana's as my bud shoots one in 7mm-08 and very accurate but like the feel of the Weatherby style stock better.

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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
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Originally Posted by southtexas
I'll take a M70 Featherweight. May not be "lightweight" by today's standards, but they are the "rightweight" for me. smile

Pre-64 M70 Fwt in McM Edge stock and Lyman 48WJS. 6lbs, 13oz as shown. 7lbs 6oz with Montana sling and 5 cartridges. Light enough, and feels good in the hands...

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Very nice rifle. Mine weigs 6.5 pounds.
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You can take this one, just the way it is, and hunt the hell out of it. If 6.5 pounds is too heavy, it's a damn good thing they make golf carts to carry your bags... laugh . Unlike many here, though, I consider a "lightweight" rifle anything under 8 pounds... wink


Very nice,and I wouldn't have any problem hunting with it,but I wouldn't consider an 8 lb rifle lightweight. There is however no shame in saying that most of us are better shots with an 8 lb rifle and would be better served 90% of the time with one than with a 6 lb lightweight.

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Agreed. I have a Kimber Ascent @ 5/15. Very pleasant to carry. But, would not want to get much lighter from a shootability stand point.

"At this point in my life" a rifle in the 7.0 to 7.5lb weight range with scope "feels about right" for an all around rifle.



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I don't really need a lightweight but by the time you add up scope and mounts, sling and ammo and maybe a bipod it adds up quick.


Why not start out light and go from there provided it's an all day walk around rifle?


My 243 MT is 6.5lbs scoped and loaded.

The 270 MT is damn near 8.5lbs scoped and loaded along with a Harris and sling.
(I wouldn't want it any heavier...)


Problem with getting a light, handy rifle...is that it spoils you, and the rest of your rifles feel so very UNLIGHT, and UnHandy.

You are warned.


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I don't really need a lightweight but by the time you add up scope and mounts, sling and ammo and maybe a bipod it adds up quick.


Why not start out light and go from there provided it's an all day walk around rifle?




Few understand the logic. But it is sound.


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I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.


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Originally Posted by cv540
Originally Posted by SamOlson
I don't really need a lightweight but by the time you add up scope and mounts, sling and ammo and maybe a bipod it adds up quick.


Why not start out light and go from there provided it's an all day walk around rifle?


My 243 MT is 6.5lbs scoped and loaded.

The 270 MT is damn near 8.5lbs scoped and loaded along with a Harris and sling.
(I wouldn't want it any heavier...)


Problem with getting a light, handy rifle...is that it spoils you, and the rest of your rifles feel so very UNLIGHT, and UnHandy.

You are warned.


+1, I was a levergun guy for a long time. Bought my first lightweight bolt gun and never went back. The lever guns though not "overweight" feel heavy in comparison.

Sam great point.

It takes a little time to get used to "controlling a lightweight rifle" when shooting but once accomplished, they become a pleasure to carry in the field

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Originally Posted by SamOlson
I don't really need a lightweight but by the time you add up scope and mounts, sling and ammo and maybe a bipod it adds up quick.


Why not start out light and go from there provided it's an all day walk around rifle?


My 243 MT is 6.5lbs scoped and loaded.

The 270 MT is damn near 8.5lbs scoped and loaded along with a Harris and sling.
(I wouldn't want it any heavier...)


Problem with getting a light, handy rifle...is that it spoils you, and the rest of your rifles feel so very UNLIGHT, and UnHandy.

You are warned.




This! My smoke pole is sub 7#s now. I'm putting together a 375HH can't imagine it "lite" but the thought of packing it up the side if the mountain leaves me feeling tired already.





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Montana, hands down. Although mine is a 270, I'd be just as happy if it was 243, 6.5 Creed, 308.....



Word.

I have a 243 and 270 but want a Creed or 22-250 next.

The eastern Montana (walk-around)lightweight setup.

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It is shooting like a fiend lately.


I agree with these guys. I have an 84M with an 8 twist barrel in 243 and it's a fantastic rifle.


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I bet that's a hummer. In all the light weight world, I'm still wanting a 20" mag contour 243 in a McSwirly with a 6x SWFA up top.


Wouldn't kick a bone stock 243 Montana outta the sack though. Hell, maybe even a 300 WSM for that matter.

Ask me tomorrow and I'll probably have a different answer.

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Originally Posted by cv540

Problem with getting a light, handy rifle...is that it spoils you, and the rest of your rifles feel so very UNLIGHT, and UnHandy.

You are warned.


I can attest that you are SO right. My first light rifle was a 77 UL in 308. It had 20" bll. It was short, light and a dream to hunt woods.

I've hated heavy rifles ever since.

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Problem with getting a light, handy rifle...is that it spoils you, and the rest of your rifles feel so very UNLIGHT, and UnHandy.

You are warned.


I can attest that you are SO right. My first light rifle was a 77 UL in 308. It had 20" bll. It was short, light and a dream to hunt woods.

I've hated heavy rifles ever since.

Jerry


I took a "break" from carrying my Forbes/Kimbers one day this season and packed a p'64 270 Win. I couldn't believe how heavy it felt!


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Originally Posted by John_Havard
I'm thinking about purchasing a lightweight bolt rifle, probably in my long-favorite caliber of 308 Win. I'd appreciate any first-hand input on the brand(s) of rifles you'd recommend: Sako 85 Carbonlight? Kimber Mountain Ascent? What others are out there that are in the same weight range that should be considered?


Not too many production choices in a 308win that comes out the box at no more than 5 pounds. This rules out most of the rifles noted as favorites throughout the thread. With that said, if I were seeking such a rifle, likely it would be best suited for extreme backpack sheep and goat hunting in most remote mountains, where I'd be willing to sacrifice some rifle shoot ability, to save that extra pound off the base rifle; 5 pounds vs 6 pounds. If this were the case, it boils down to which rifle fits and works best for YOU, not me.

Personally, my cut off is about 6 pounds base weight. Regardless if going fixed sights only, or going light trim scope keeping package under 7 pounds, I greatly enjoy the handling and shoot ability of the rifle, while it is still easy to pack in most any hunting situation. Going below this cut off, takes more joy from my shoot ability than I gain in pack ability. Also personally, the production rifle that fits me the best, is the least finiky, and gives me the least troubles in shoot ability when on the lighter weight end of the scale, is a Sako Finnlight, 6 pound base weight. The new Carbonlight is the same rifle and dimensions, but adds a custom ground pounder type stock, and options for a threaded muzzle. So likely that would be my first choice if my hunting became so extreme that I needed to cut a pound off my preferred Finnlight, while staying box stock production.

What fits and works better for you, same as boots and backpacks, may very well be different.


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Will add:

Barrett - no experience; but I would be suspect until they are well proven and well vetted.

Mountain Ascent - no experience; but do have experience w/ Montana. Based on that, the word "finicky" comes to mind.

NULA - yes to experience; though in the end, I've reached the conclusion they are just not my cup of tea, they are good rifles. However, Melven can get rather opinionated, and at times come across like course grit sandpaper. But if a NULA works for you, they are well proven.

Lastly, if willing to go up a bit in weight, this would open the door for more production choices.

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I appreciate everyone's thoughts. As usual, "need" in this case is much less important than "want". I'll always be hunting with one of my company's recurve bows, but my hunting partner likes to carry along a rifle strapped to his (and sometimes my) backpack in case he sees something beyond bow range that he can't live without.

We bow hunt for moose every year in Alaska and given where we hunt the possibility for wolves or a huge moose out of bow range definitely exists. Hence his desire for a tag-along rifle. We've been using my 308 Blaser (I own two Blaser 308's and both shoot lights out) but all-in it's a bit heavier than either of us want to carry just because.

Agree with everyone that within reason a bit more weight makes a rifle arguably more accurate or at least easier to hold still. It just makes them harder to carry around as a "might use" backup.

This is more a quest to find the lightest 308 I can. I'd love to keep everything under six pounds all up. That's pretty limiting I know but that's my goal. Mainly just because that's what I want (as opposed to need).

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Originally Posted by John_Havard
I appreciate everyone's thoughts. As usual, "need" in this case is much less important than "want". I'll always be hunting with one of my company's recurve bows, but my hunting partner likes to carry along a rifle strapped to his (and sometimes my) backpack in case he sees something beyond bow range that he can't live without.

We bow hunt for moose every year in Alaska and given where we hunt the possibility for wolves or a huge moose out of bow range definitely exists. Hence his desire for a tag-along rifle. We've been using my 308 Blaser (I own two Blaser 308's and both shoot lights out) but all-in it's a bit heavier than either of us want to carry just because.

Agree with everyone that within reason a bit more weight makes a rifle arguably more accurate or at least easier to hold still. It just makes them harder to carry around as a "might use" backup.

This is more a quest to find the lightest 308 I can. I'd love to keep everything under six pounds all up. That's pretty limiting I know but that's my goal. Mainly just because that's what I want (as opposed to need).


John,I'll help you out and trade you my already bedded Kimber Montana 7-08 for one of those Blazers.

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In that case, get the sub 5-pound Kimber and put an Aimpoint micro on the front bridge. That would be light and handy.


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I use the military T2 version and Aimpoint makes a micro base plate for it to mount directly to the front bridge of my Sako 85. If you check my old posts, been working on getting one made available in the US for some time.


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I have an H-2 and think they're awfully nice. Got mine to compare with an RMR I'd mounted on one of my 500 S&W mag lever guns. However, for my intended purpose on this bolt gun I'll want something with magnification.

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Second thoughts, forget the Kimber, get the Carbonlight and use the same plate as mine to mount the micro on front bridge. Would be like mine but pound lighter.



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I have an H-2 and think they're awfully nice. Got mine to compare with an RMR I'd mounted on one of my 500 S&W mag lever guns. However, for my intended purpose on this bolt gun I'll want something with magnification.


The .308 I used this year was borrowed. I do know it weighs under five pounds without scope. Going with Talleys and a 3-9X scope it would definitely be under six pounds. If you make your own 1" sling just long enough to strap across your chest so you can fool with your game animal it will add only one ounce. You can get the nylon strapping from the clothe store. I use plastic sling swivels for two reasons. One so they don't squeak and two to keep the sling light. Mine is 34 5/8" from cross screw to cross screw.

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I put together this elk rifle in 1995. A Cliff LaBounty 338-06 rebore of a Walmart 270 ADL. I threw it in a Rem KS Mountain McMillan take-off. It has five elk, a grizzly and a blackie down. A few hogs and a couple of mule deer as well. It just feels dead right when shouldered.

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Kimber Montana .308, talley lows, fx-II 6x36, LRD.


Yup. With a Butler Creek Mountain Sling and four rounds it will go 6lbs 5oz's. I know because I've had mine configured that way in the past, though it currently wears a 2.5-8x36 CDS. Like some here, I actually use it in the mountains, and honestly can say I don't want it any lighter.


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Kimber Montana .308, talley lows, fx-II 6x36, LRD.


Gotta go straight duplex. Those LRD reticles add unnecessary weight.


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Originally Posted by John_Havard
I appreciate everyone's thoughts. As usual, "need" in this case is much less important than "want". I'll always be hunting with one of my company's recurve bows, but my hunting partner likes to carry along a rifle strapped to his (and sometimes my) backpack in case he sees something beyond bow range that he can't live without.

We bow hunt for moose every year in Alaska and given where we hunt the possibility for wolves or a huge moose out of bow range definitely exists. Hence his desire for a tag-along rifle. We've been using my 308 Blaser (I own two Blaser 308's and both shoot lights out) but all-in it's a bit heavier than either of us want to carry just because.

Agree with everyone that within reason a bit more weight makes a rifle arguably more accurate or at least easier to hold still. It just makes them harder to carry around as a "might use" backup.

This is more a quest to find the lightest 308 I can. I'd love to keep everything under six pounds all up. That's pretty limiting I know but that's my goal. Mainly just because that's what I want (as opposed to need).



Alaska? Lightweight backup Rifle?
Hmmm, model 7KS in .350 mag stuffed with 225 partitions kind of defines Alaska "might need for something" rifle.


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Is that aimpoint youtube on your Sako black bear?

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My .308 Kimber Montana has been a solid performer for the last 11 yrs. Accurate, non-finicky, no tweaking needed.
But, if looking for a rifle that would spend almost all of its time strapped to my pack as secondary or backup I'd look at the shorter Kimber Adirondack.

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I love my Kimber 308, but mine has a 3-10 B&C reticle. I had aRemngton TI and replaced it with the Kimber.
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Mine makes it to the mountains as well. I could sell everything else having this one, absolute pleasure to carry.


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Those 308 Montana's seem a sweet ticket. Plenty of ass and more ammo than you can shake a stick at. All wrapped up in a little package. I'd though long and hard about one but got swooned by a 270 in the classifieds.


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And factory loaded 155 Lapua Scenars would seal the deal.


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And factory loaded 155 Lapua Scenars would seal the deal.


Damn........



Who wants my 270?


If its the one from STS45 I will gladly purchase it from you.

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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
My choice would be a Winchester Featherweight.


If class has anything to do with your decision.....a Featherweight in .308 is classic.


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This rifle will be all about function. Looks are of minimal importance. It will receive plenty of punishment strapped to the outside of a backpack when busting brush.

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This topic has given me lots of ideas.. I am now getting prices for putting a rifle togheter.

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Problem with getting a light, handy rifle...is that it spoils you, and the rest of your rifles feel so very UNLIGHT, and UnHandy.

You are warned.


I can attest that you are SO right. My first light rifle was a 77 UL in 308. It had 20" bll. It was short, light and a dream to hunt woods.

I've hated heavy rifles ever since.

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I own two Ruger ULs. To me they are ideal in weight and dimensions.

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I still prefer my Remington 700 Mountain Rifles, late 80s early 90s models with Walnut stocks.
Also like the 700 KS as well as the 700 Ti. The Kimber Montana is in the closet but has not been tested in the field.

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Since you are looking for something for the backpack,I would go with the Kimber Mountain ascent. It will be as light as you will get and plenty tough for the rough country.

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How about a husqvarna 1600 series lightweight? They go about 7 lbs with a 4X and leather sling. Much less with an good composite stock.


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Originally Posted by TomM1
How about a husqvarna 1600 series lightweight? They go about 7 lbs with a 4X and leather sling. Much less with an good composite stock.


If you can get one with a good adjustable trigger I like them, a lot!

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Kimber Montana 308 has been my do all rifle lately. Carries great, shoots great and the stock fits most people pretty well.

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I'd go Kimber Montana .308;

*Want shorter... Cut & crown the barrel

*Want Lighter... one of chris's Ti bolt handles from the classifieds & if it has the steel trigger guard you can pick up an aftermarket aluminum one for not much.

You'd be into it for much less than the Adirondack or the Mountain Ascent.

I think 'alaskalanche' (think that is his user name?) has a few threads where he went this route, ie. lightening up an already very light Kimber Montana

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Originally Posted by jerrywoodswalker
I'd go Kimber Montana .308;

*Want shorter... Cut & crown the barrel

*Want Lighter... one of chris's Ti bolt handles from the classifieds & if it has the steel trigger guard you can pick up an aftermarket aluminum one for not much.

You'd be into it for much less than the Adirondack or the Mountain Ascent.

I think 'alaskalanche' (think that is his user name?) has a few threads where he went this route, ie. lightening up an already very light Kimber Montana

Jerry



Agreed. If you want a short barrel Kimber I wouldn't spend the extra on the Adirondack at all.

Money ahead buying a Montana and chopping it to whatever barrel length you want.

I had my Kimber .308 Montana down to 4 pounds 10 oz. Then I had a front sight installed and QD rings and a peep and am at 4 pounds 14 oz with its 20" long barrel.
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But I have down what Jerry said above along with cutting 2" off the barrel and fluting the bolt as well as having the action skelotnized. It truly is a sweet little gun.

With QD talley rings and a 3-9X33 Leupy Ultralight its still 5 pounds 11 oz.
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The trouble is I also have a Kimber Montana in 338-06 with a much better (heavier) scope (VX-6 2-12-42)and still still less than 6 pounds 2 oz and can push 210 grainers faster than I can shoot 165s out of the .308
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So I find myself only hunting with the 338-06 and the .308 is quickly becoming a safe queen.

In order to resurrect my poor forgotten .308 I am going to have it sent to JES to be rebored to a 358 win and cut to 16". Should be able to get 2450-2500 fps from the 16" barrel with a 200 grain TSX and it'll be my summer carry rifle for bear protection as well as my SE AK deer hunting thumper. At 4.75 pounds likely with a peep on it and just over 35" long it won't be a rifle most folks would want, but it will fill a niche for me better now since I don't see using my .308 anytime soon.


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alaska_lanche, the only thing I'd suggest for sighting your new 358 would be adding something like an RMR or perhaps an Aimpoint Micro instead of just a peep. I've used each on my Bighorn 89's and think they're the cat's ass for close work.

Good input on a light rifle. Thanks for the info!

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Originally Posted by alaska_lanche
Originally Posted by jerrywoodswalker
I'd go Kimber Montana .308;

*Want shorter... Cut & crown the barrel

*Want Lighter... one of chris's Ti bolt handles from the classifieds & if it has the steel trigger guard you can pick up an aftermarket aluminum one for not much.

You'd be into it for much less than the Adirondack or the Mountain Ascent.

I think 'alaskalanche' (think that is his user name?) has a few threads where he went this route, ie. lightening up an already very light Kimber Montana

Jerry



Agreed. If you want a short barrel Kimber I wouldn't spend the extra on the Adirondack at all.

Money ahead buying a Montana and chopping it to whatever barrel length you want.

I had my Kimber .308 Montana down to 4 pounds 10 oz. Then I had a front sight installed and QD rings and a peep and am at 4 pounds 14 oz with its 20" long barrel.
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But I have down what Jerry said above along with cutting 2" off the barrel and fluting the bolt as well as having the action skelotnized. It truly is a sweet little gun.

With QD talley rings and a 3-9X33 Leupy Ultralight its still 5 pounds 11 oz.
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The trouble is I also have a Kimber Montana in 338-06 with a much better (heavier) scope (VX-6 2-12-42)and still still less than 6 pounds 2 oz and can push 210 grainers faster than I can shoot 165s out of the .308
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So I find myself only hunting with the 338-06 and the .308 is quickly becoming a safe queen.

In order to resurrect my poor forgotten .308 I am going to have it sent to JES to be rebored to a 358 win and cut to 16". Should be able to get 2450-2500 fps from the 16" barrel with a 200 grain TSX and it'll be my summer carry rifle for bear protection as well as my SE AK deer hunting thumper. At 4.75 pounds likely with a peep on it and just over 35" long it won't be a rifle most folks would want, but it will fill a niche for me better now since I don't see using my .308 anytime soon.



Who fluted the bolt for you?

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Yup I have already done that to my Browning TI 325 WSM I had with the 18" barrel.

I liked it so much I may go that route again since I have the RMR staying around. smile

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Of course the weight of the 358 win should be roughly 12-14 oz lighter than what the 325WSM was with the same RMR.

Oh and if you are wondering why I like to start with rifles that are so light is because with just glass and rings and rifle a 5.7 pound rifle can turn into a 6.6 pound rifle by the time I add scope cover, a sling, 12 rounds, and a shell holder to be ready to hunt.
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Exactly. Start light, add ammo, sling, sights - it adds up quickly. Hunting the back 40 with 4-wheeler access negates the issue of added weight. But climbing on shank's mare with a backpack and all your gear makes a couple/three pounds saved seem like a big deal.

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My Kimber Montana 308 with it's Leupold VX 111 2.5-8 and mounts weighs 6# 1 oz!

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Originally Posted by John_Havard
Exactly. Start light, add ammo, sling, sights - it adds up quickly. Hunting the back 40 with 4-wheeler access negates the issue of added weight. But climbing on shank's mare with a backpack and all your gear makes a couple/three pounds saved seem like a big deal.


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Link to that Saterlee action.

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I dont recommend going there. Satterlee has proven time and time again
he is nothing but a total PITA to deal with...and dont go foolishly defending him because
you have never ordered a rifle or action from him...the list of disgruntled customers is long.
In any case SA never made those Ti actions....they are left over old stock fromthat failed
business called Taconics.


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Originally Posted by Cruiser1
Like a couple of folks have mentioned; don't overlook a 6 lug Weatherby MK V. My 7mm-08 stainless carbine w/ 20" barrel, S&K stainless mounts, Diavari 2.5-10x42 in a McMillan Sako Classic standard fill comes in at 7lbs/1oz. Perfect weight for me. The Sako Classic stock transformed the gun.

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Originally Posted by Starman
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Link to that Saterlee action.

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Pricing:
> $6500.00


I dont recommend going there. Satterlee has proven time and time again
he is nothing but a total PITA to deal with...and dont go foolishly defending him because
you have never ordered a rifle or action from him...the list of disgruntled customers is long.
In any case SA never made those Ti actions....they are left over old stock fromthat failed
business called Taconics.


You guys take things way too seriously.....LOL. smile

I threw it up as a spoof. You'd have to be a bit touched to part out over $6k to save a few ounces on an action.


This one is light enough for me. Otherwise buy a Kimber.


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