remseven

The simplest thing is to simply say don’t use smokeless powder regardless of what grade ,in any weapon not designed for it .
Smokeless is not a substitute, a replacement or a equivalent for black powder . to say other wise is to asking for someone to get hurt from a miss understanding. This IMO make the person stating such claims liable , especially if that person is a so called published expert and should know better .

So folks if you want to use smokeless then use it , no skin of my nose but use it weapons specifically designed for such powders , be those powders low base or other .
This way if you find yourself in a bad way there is no one to blame but yourself or those who marketed and sold you a bill of goods

If your state has laws that forbid the use of smokeless in muzzlelading seasons or states that only black powder and its modern substautes are legal . in most casses this excludes smokless as a substaute.

Some will be schills, others won't
No go here in OR during MZ season, OK during general rifle season. And no real axe to grind or ox to gore, but paid spokesmen pizz me off

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oHHHH no wakman don’t try and flip the subject to smokeless guns .
your a slippery fish of that there is no doubt .
you specifically stated and im going to quote you

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Smokeless powder has always been 100% legal in Wisconsin.

It is considered a black powder substitute, which is precisely what it has been for the last 110 years

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most states have defined what is a sub and what is not . some don’t even allow T7 as a sub .
yet in this topic that’s titled "Is smokeless powder illegal in some states? "
you have left off informing this fella that smokeless is illegal in many states not just some . there are reasons for those rules . you may not agree with them , well i should say you don’t get a subsidy for agreeing with them . But who really cares its not for you to say .
However when you come out with the statement of , again im going to quote you

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Smokeless powder has always been 100% legal in Wisconsin.

It is considered a black powder substitute, which is precisely what it has been for the last 110 years

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Knowing full well many, if not most states that have defined their muzzleloading season have statements say Black powder or synthetic substitute. Then come out and state that smokeless is an substitute for Black powder ,,,
that’s a good one really . again you have made half truths and i wonder just how liable you are for that statement

Tell us wakman ,,, why don’t you list the states that allow smokeless for muzzleloading and those that do not .

I would hope that you would try and pull a flim flam and your list would be up to date for this next season . How about also informing these fellas about the states that are eather in the process of removing smokeless from muzzleloading allowance or are considering it at commission level

That would be a good post from you but I doubt you can or will do it as there is no paycheck involved

If your state allows "Black Powder Substitutes", then by all means use smokeless if your MLer is designed for it.

Smokeless is the original BP substitute. It's older than any BP sub on the market.

If you think 777, BM3, AP, etc is acceptable but, Smokless is not, you are sorely misinformed. None are the same as original Black Powder, they are all substitutes and all have differing chemical compositions than original BP.

This debate is ridiculous at times. The thing that just takes the cake is the idiot hypocrits that think that is it perfectly ethical to load their rigged out Encore w/ 150 grains of 777 under a sabot but, at the same time they condemn the Smokeless crowd about their unethical smokless MLers and how they are "cheating". Give me a break!!!! THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME!!!!!!!!! Each load from the Muzzle, have the same ignition system, fire only one time, use the same bullets, etc etc etc. There's no difference.

If you want truely primitive we need to use the original MLers period. All of the new inlines are completely different than the primitive weapons of old.

Reloader7RM

WHAT A DAMN WASTE OF TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do like the looks of that thumbhole! I would prefer a lightweight synthetic, though.

I sure do like my Savage and will continue to enjoy it. If I hunt a state where it's not legal, I'll take one that is. I respect everyone's opinion on the issue, although it seems like a stretch to call it that. Each to their own.

The use of smokeless powder's during Minnesota's "Muzzleloader" season is illegal.
Mike