Can't help but put my 2 cents in here. I have been hunting at least 55 years. With muzzleloading I started out with a flintlock then graduated to a caplock & when in-lines came out began using them. I am currently building a 54 cal. flinter. What I am bacically saying is use what ever you want that is legal & let others use what ever they want & stay out of their hunting style. We would all be much better off in the hunting community if we could just live & let live. Great holidays to all.

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Smokeless powder has always been 100% legal in Wisconsin.

It is considered a black powder substitute, which is precisely what it has been for the last 110 years.

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No, a black powder substitute is pyrodex or Trip Sev, or similar, which is intended for use in a muzzleloader. Smokeless powder is intended for use in a centerfire cartridge or shell. If you try and use smokeless powder in a muzzleloader you risk serious injury.

Regards, sse

Here we go again with the education process & knocking the way others choose to hunt. Ever heard of Savage muzzleloaders?

"It is considered a black powder substitute, which is precisely what it has been for the last 110 years."

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knocking the way others choose to hunt

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Yes its a shame.

The Savage novelty is just that and in my mind doesn't qualify smokleless powder as a black powder substitute. Sorry, that's a stretch. Maybe you should have directed your response to Wakeman, not me.

Regards, sse

Define smokeless powder! Are we talking pyrodex or the equlivelant? Or true smokeless powder?

powders comonly used and avalable for the production of amunition for modern centerfire weapons
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Any powder that is not of an equal base to black powder, when the based of measure is volume .

Powders which when based by Equivalent volume produce pressures equal to those of the same equal volume of black powder ,when based on measure of volume, using standard “accepted “ Black powder Measuring devices .
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In order for the powder to be an equivalent it must past the equal measure.

IE 50 grain volume of given power would produce near the same pressures as an equal volume of BP .
This is why the modern replacements such as pyro and T7 have squeezed through . While they don’t produce exactly the same pressures they are to some I guess close enough .

Now if you where to take 50 grains of say red dot , you would find the pressures no where near the same.

Doesn't anyone understand how shotguns work?





The new thumbholes are looking great.

i think most everyone knows how shotguns work wakman , that doesn’t mean you load a 12 gage with 70 grains of even low base smokeless

Here is the result of low base smokeless powder in a weapon designed for BP .

mmmm i wonder if this guy thinks low base is a equivalent ? The fella stated it was safe , had shot low base for years in this weapon with no problem . Guess he finally had a problem .to bad too as before the guy had a brain freeze that fox was worth probably ohhh ? maybe 6 of your plywood ML10



Here is another one for ya


Wait ??? , did i say shotgun ???? LMAO oh and before you go into the bla bla about an obstruction or something you might want to learn alittle from the folks over at double gun journal. Some of the most respected an knowledgeable firearms folks world wide . who have been working with BP and use of low base smokeless in " shotguns way before you deposited your first sabot ,,

Maybe your not familiar with them ? They are the ones who put out the very high end 1/4rly read each years on high end firearms MMMm . Ahh but you probably not interested as I don’t recall ever seeing savage in their writings ? I could be wrong though so you better take a look .
Oh I also forgot their information carries copy writes , but they unlike some stand behind their words and dont mind if you quote them .
DOUBLE GUN JOURNAL


nice stock but lines like that belong in the barrel not in the wood



did you guys remember to leave the lever so you could better open the breech with your thumb ?
LMAO maybe next time LOL

capchee - Not a flame, but equivalent and substitute are NOT the same thing.

The difference being you can substitute whiskey for tea, or vice/versa. But either one is sure not the equivalent of the other.

When it comes to employing either equivalent and/or substitute to something defining power as to pressure, it is even more important.

A substitute that is the equivalent of X amount of BP in power, may or may not be the same WEIGHT and/or VOLUME of X amount BP.

Again not a flame, we need to make sure those new to ML's, understand the difference so they remain safe.

Yep, there are probably always going to be some who don't follow safe practices. We probably can't help that kind at all.