A huge AMEN to that!!!!!!!! What makes any of us think our way is right and other ways are wrong. If it's legal then it's ok.

Jim

no reloader they are not one in the same . the pressure curves are completely different .
the difference between smokeless and other accepted substitutes is that their curves match that of BP very closely.
remseven
Actually has a point in that really anything can be called a substitute . However one has to accept the consequences of that substitution. IE alcohol is a good example.
One could substitute corn liquor for say wine or for that mater pure alcohol .
All will get you drunk , only one will give a very good chance of killing you .

Again the point is that smokeless is not an accepted substitute for Black powder in any shape or form .
While its true that early smokeless replaced black powder as a prefures propelant , it was found very quickly that substituting it on an equal base to BP caused problems .

That early smokeless, is also very different then even today’s low base .
So again DO NOT !! Use smokeless in any weapon not specifically designed for that powder . Also only use the recommended smokeless powder for that weapon . Despite what some here want you to believe , they are not all the same .

As to Wisconsin’s regulations , they state

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Note: Inline
muzzleloaders are legal to use during the 10-day muzzleloader hunt with black
powder or any black powder substitutes.

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a call to the Wisconsin’s yields a statement from the enforcement department that smokeless is not considered a BP substitute.
The officer however did not have the complete written definition in front of him , only the basic public over view .
He stated he would have the definition for me tomorrow so when i talk with them in the AM i will post their wording

To add to your post, smokeless powder is explicitly prohibited in South Dakota, for better or worse. For the better I think, but that's just me.

no wakman its not , your confusing pressures with pressure curves.
One thing about you , even in your books you write is you cant tell folks the whole truth ? is it because you don’t know it ? or is it because you never ask when you were culling information’s from experienced folks ?
why don’t you tell folks they need to check their regs ? some of the states you list only allow smokeless to be used in muzzleloaders during a given season and not in others . some only in given areas and not state wide .
Idaho doesn’t allow smokeless in muzzleloading BUT
Idaho and in fact I would bet most all the states allow smokeless to be used in muzzleloading weapons , but only in the general any weapons season .
im surprised you didn’t come back with every state , that what i would have expected from you

Again as to Wisconsin we will see hopefully this morning . When I here I will post it .
Opinions like yours is why many of the states are going to defining only what’s legal instead of general statements . Myself I wouldn’t take yours or any others word based on your reasoning .
One had sure better call and check the regs for themselves before they ever venture out .
I would seriously doubt you would back up your opinions by paying for the ticket.

oh and one last thing you better go back and check those states on your list
i think you will find some states are changing their rules.

Minnesota legislature this last fall , removed smokeless powder from use in muzzleloader or muzzleloading weapons , state wide so you better double check

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File Number: H.F. 3116

Date: May 9, 2006

Version: Fourth engrossment


Status: House Floor

Authors: McNamara and others

Subject: 2006 Game and Fish Omnibus Bill

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I have no dog in this fight but who really cares. You can use a damn throwing stick for all I care ifs its legal. As I posted earlier I began with flintlocks but why should anyone care what others shoot? This is just like the debate among archers vs. longbows, compounds, & crossbows that all throw an arrow. As a life member of SCI & the NRA if we spent just a portion of this time supporting hunting & shooting rather than debating bs our sport would be the better for it. I do much for the sport how about you? Just my 2 cents worth. Have a great holiday.

but whut about lectronic ignition?