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I know everyone gets tired of all of these cartridge comparison posts but I need someone to justify a new rifle for me. I currently have a model 70 XTR .264 and recently I have been considering buying a few standard calibers. Most of my rifles are not readily available at your local wal mart. I have been shooting nosler ammo (130 accubonds) from my .264 and I see that the 130 accubond from a .270 is only 25 fps slower. I am not currently a reloader so I am forced to shoot factory ammo. I can also buy .270 shells for considerably less than .264 ammo. Is there really any benefit to owning the .264 over the .270 when the vast majority of my shots are well under 300 yards. I am thinking of selling or trading my .264 for a nice .270 or even a .308. I think the .264 is a "cooler" cartridge but is there really any good reasons to keep it over the .270? I just read on here the other day that you have to be gay to use a .270 so that is one reason why I am not sure I want one I was just wondering if there were any other reasons? Thanks. Taken at face value I don't know why you have a 264 with what you hunt in PA and the ranges you mention. 270 over the 264 no contest.
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I have a Sako in 270 Win. That rifle has always been lucky for me. The 270 will let you have one more cartridge in your gun. A Sako will hold six 270 rounds. That is nice sometimes. We used to jump deer and pigs out of canyons. That extra round helps at times.
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I bet some of this has changed with powders like R26.
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I meant RL26. Has anyone worked up loads for the 264 Win. Mag. using this powder?
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I had to have a 264 sometime in the 60's. I mostly shot crows, jack rabbits and coyotes with it. With the bullets available at the time, I think it wasn't much of an improvement over the 270. The only bullet that I thought was up to the 264 at the time was the screw machine Nosler partitions. I sold that 264 when I came back from the service to help with school costs. The guy who bought it only shot prairie dogs with it. I regret selling that rifle, with today's bullets the 264 seems to me to be a good long range rifle. I have a two or three of gay rifles now, all in my favorite rifle - Remington 700. They are ~~ 1/4 to 3/4 MOA rifles. The biggest game I've shot with them - white tails. I may be criticized for this statement, but to me the largest (toughest) game I would use these for, if I didn't have other choices, would be elk.
But, "having" to buy another rifle is always a good thing!
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Gotta love the threads that start in 2012, extend into 2013. Pop up again in 2016, 2019, and 2020.
Germane to this conversation, my left hand 270 KS is the last man standing...
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Bought a 264 decades ago, no need for a 270.
But then, that 264 has never been fired by me.
And I have 2 or 3 7mags. So, don't need the 264.
And one 7mag is still nib, 15 years later.
And another hasn't been shot in years.
Multiple 308's and 30-06's, some don't get used, never more than one at a time.
Sweede does all any of them can do for my use, it does see sunshine.
That's just mindless rambling.
Excatly what these threads are.
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With modern bullets and powders, the .264WM is a great cartridge for the western hunter. Winchester M70 Extreme Weather ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/2019/Guns/i-Z7DHkVj/0/8af925fe/L/IMG_0442%5B1%5D-L.jpg) 117gn at 3230fps ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/2019/Guns/i-DWX7Jnj/1/5421736b/L/IMG_0326-L.jpg)
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sweet looking m70 shinbone ya gotta be happy with accuracy like that, I'd trimming that front base thou to tidy it up a bit.
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sweet looking m70 shinbone ya gotta be happy with accuracy like that, I'd trimming that front base thou to tidy it up a bit. Yup, I am pretty happy with it. Its been bedded and I added a Timney trigger. Shoots real nice for the minimal work on it. And, that's a good suggestion on the scope base for next time I have the scope off.
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Gotta love the threads that start in 2012, extend into 2013. Pop up again in 2016, 2019, and 2020.
.... Agreed. But what the heck… Bought a .270 Win for Daughter #1 for use on elk. It gets loaded with 150g ABLR to 2910fps. Using Nosler’s .591 B.C. value, 50 degrees F, 7,000 ft altitude, and my standard rule of thumb of 2000fps and 1500fpe retained at impact for elk, it is capable well past the 600 yards she practices at. The .264 WM would fit the bill equally well – and maybe/probably better - if retained fps and fpe were the primary criteria. I reload, as does her husband, so we could produce ammo for her, as we do with the .270. But I wanted her to have a rifle where an abundance of off-the-shelf ammo was available. For myself, a 6.5PRC will likely join my 6.5CM and 6.5-06AI. While a .264WM is not totally out of consideration, I see no particular advantage over the PRC and the PRC will be better supported in coming years.
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Gotta love the threads that start in 2012, extend into 2013. Pop up again in 2016, 2019, and 2020.
.... Agreed. But what the heck… Bought a .270 Win for Daughter #1 for use on elk. It gets loaded with 170g ABLR to 2910fps. Using Nosler’s .591 B.C. value, 50 degrees F, 7,000 ft altitude, and my standard rule of thumb of 2000fps and 1500fpe retained at impact for elk, it is capable well past the 600 yards she practices at. The .264 WM would fit the bill equally well – and maybe/probably better - if retained fps and fpe were the primary criteria. I reload, as does her husband, so we could produce ammo for her, as we do with the .270. But I wanted her to have a rifle where an abundance of off-the-shelf ammo was available. For myself, a 6.5PRC will likely join my 6.5CM and 6.5-06AI. While a .264WM is not totally out of consideration, I see no particular advantage over the PRC and the PRC will be better supported in coming years. Off topic but what’s your load data to shoot 170s out of 270 win at 2900
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Kind of a no contest deal far as I am concerned. Bought some blue box Federals last fall for the 270 at 11.99 a box at wallyworld. You got to hit a pretty good sized LGS to find Rem or WW 264 ammo at $50 a box or 65-70 for Nosler. Sheeit if gun makers would offer a 26" barreled 270 the 264 would go tits up rfn. God damn 20 -22" barrel whiners anyway. MB
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I’m not sure why some people have to note when a thread started. Why???
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These comparisons never get old in my view...it is what people do . I like both the .270 wcf and the .264, they work nearly identically , the .264 might be the the best 6.5 ever!
I would much rather see a thread like this resurface than talk about food , politics or cars on a hunting site
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I’m not sure why some people have to note when a thread started. Why??? +1
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To remind everyone of the timelessness of the subject of course. M B
" Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "
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Off topic but what’s your load data to shoot 170s out of 270 win at 2900 Make that a typo. Thanks for pointing it out. The load uses a 150 ABLR. Load data is 52.0g H100V, CCI 200 and Winchester brass. Last 3-shot group was 0.3" at 100. Rem M700 BDL I purchased used for her.
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Off topic but what’s your load data to shoot 170s out of 270 win at 2900 Make that a typo. Thanks for pointing it out. The load uses a 150 ABLR. Load data is 52.0g H100V, CCI 200 and Winchester brass. Last 3-shot group was 0.3" at 100. Rem M700 BDL I purchased used for her. Thanks bud. Had same velocity with 150 BT using Hunter. But wasn’t impressed with accuracy. Glad you got solid load. I’ll stick my 140s at 3030 FPS
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280 Ackley Improved and never look back! I've owned a 264 WM but never saw the need for it. I have owned six or more 270s and consider the 270 to be the standard that all others are measured against but to keep it interesting, I have rifles in other chamberings as well. The advantage of the 280 AI over the 270 is barrel twist and the potential for better accuracy with bullets in the 150-160gr range. The 270 is typically 1/10", the 280 1/9". Also, you can always shoot standard 280 ammo in you AI in a pinch. If that doesn't scratch your itch and you must have a 6.5, there's always the 6.5 PRC, maybe the best yet!
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