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Topic says it all.
Anyone find any black friday deals on 2 stage varmint RRA on sale?
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Rost, best I've seen is 86 shipped at ar15sales.com
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thanks, thats a fair bit higher than last years 62 buck invoice sitting here, maybe I'll just hang on a bit and see.
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Right now you can get a Larue for $99 if you're not in a hurry or a Geiselle G2S for $115.
I think both are better than the RR if you are willing to spend a little more.
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I hear ya. My match guns are all set.
Hunting guns are not that important, and the varmint one has been good so far and I can easily tune them a hair if need be for no cost to me.
Lets just say I have multiple lowers that have been in storage and it might be time I"m thinking to put parts kits and decent triggers in them so they are ready for any project as complete lowers.
Half price of a good one, makes a lot of difference when buying parts for double digit numbers.
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Did anybody catch those SSA-E's on their site for $117? They were only that price for a real short time and now back up to 168. Never seen them that cheap before...
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No, I missed that.........that would have been the deal of the year.
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I"m thinking to put parts kits and decent triggers in them so they are ready for any project as complete lowers.
The various "enhanced" nickel plated triggers for about $30 or so, on sale, are usable for hunting or banging with a little polishing & spring work that I know you are well capable of doing. I've been able to get them to a no-creep 5.5 lb range that are OK for those purposes. Or the ALG ACT trigger for around $70. Or just wait till RRA has another sale as they eventually will. I was sorta underwhelmed at the BF sales this year........... MM
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No, I missed that.........that would have been the deal of the year.
MM for a minute I thought it was a glitch or something..that's about $40 less than I've ever seen them
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The various "enhanced" nickel plated triggers for about $30 or so, on sale, are usable for hunting or banging with a little polishing & spring work that I know you are well capable of doing.
I've been able to get them to a no-creep 5.5 lb range that are OK for those purposes.
No creep, from "a little polishing and spring work"? Your definition of creep must be a whole lot different than everybody else.
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I"m thinking to put parts kits and decent triggers in them so they are ready for any project as complete lowers.
The various "enhanced" nickel plated triggers for about $30 or so, on sale, are usable for hunting or banging with a little polishing & spring work that I know you are well capable of doing. I've been able to get them to a no-creep 5.5 lb range that are OK for those purposes. Or the ALG ACT trigger for around $70. Or just wait till RRA has another sale as they eventually will. I was sorta underwhelmed at the BF sales this year........... MM I"m fairly sure I'll find em around 60 again sooner or later. I'm about done with polishing regular triggers. Just don't care for the work and the results, would rather drop the RRA in without touching it and just live with what it is. But I'm a 2 stage AR slut too... have yet to pull a single stage AR that has zero creep.
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Your definition of creep must be a whole lot different than everybody else. No, I don't think so. MM
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Here's the best deal I have found with the G2S at 109.99 plus shipping and tax: http://www.dpmsinc.com/On-Sale-Items_c_471.htmlI "needed" one, anyway. So now that itch is scratched.
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Your definition of creep must be a whole lot different than everybody else. No, I don't think so. MM How are you eliminating the creep then, without adjusting sear engagement and the disconnector? Mil spec triggers (standard or the slick "enhanced" stuff) have miles of creep, polishing doesn't get rid of that.
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Your definition of creep must be a whole lot different than everybody else. No, I don't think so. MM How are you eliminating the creep then, without adjusting sear engagement and the disconnector? Mil spec triggers (standard or the slick "enhanced" stuff) have miles of creep, polishing doesn't get rid of that. JP springs ($10) and the trigger adjustment screw (.50 or $18) can get a mil spec trigger to "pretty good" status.
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The creep is actually a safety design that moves the hammer a little before firing. Use the screw to pre-load the trigger and you either still have some creep that could be ok or you have a dangerous trigger.
I don't care what trigger you prefer or how you tune it just be sure and know why it is like it is before you mess with it.
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[quote=MontanaMan]
Your definition of creep must be a whole lot different than everybody else. No, I don't think so. MM How are you eliminating the creep then, without adjusting sear engagement and the disconnector? Mil spec triggers (standard or the slick "enhanced" stuff) have miles of creep, polishing doesn't get rid of that. JP springs ($10) and the trigger adjustment screw (.50 or $18) can get a mil spec trigger to "pretty good" status. I'm very familiar with that, but that's not what MontanaMan said. I have made some mil spec triggers very clean and crisp, but there's a lot more to it than just springs and polishing, or even just adding an adjustment screw. Even then, the RRA 2-stage trigger is every bit as crisp right out of the box, and arguably more reliable and safer although I've not had any issues with my way either.
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FWIW, I like the RRA triggers. Hope that we see a heads up if-ever/when they hit a rock bottom sale price.
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Jeff,
I knew you wouldn't be interested, but ALG knocked their ACT triggers down to about $45 for Cyber-Monday (from $69 I think)
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Jeff,
I knew you wouldn't be interested, but ALG knocked their ACT triggers down to about $45 for Cyber-Monday (from $69 I think)
Sycamore Had I known that I'd have done one just to see what its like.... Thanks, Jeff
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Jeff,
I knew you wouldn't be interested, but ALG knocked their ACT triggers down to about $45 for Cyber-Monday (from $69 I think)
Sycamore Had I known that I'd have done one just to see what its like.... Thanks, Jeff delivered today, so one week from order to delivery, even though website said might be delay for holiday traffic. Sycamore
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thats always nice for stuff to show up early.
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I"m fairly sure I'll find em around 60 again sooner or later.
Well, when you do please update this thread. I need three of them.
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Rost,
Is the RRA your preference for competition? I thinks service rifles have to be held to 4.5lb's. Does this trigger serve that purpose?
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National Match is 4.5# Varmint is 3.5#.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Its my choice for service rifle IF I'm running low...
My absolute choice was and may still be Milazzo.
But before I'd go that route I'd pick up the phone and call Bill at Geiselle since we shot together at Perry and he and I had some long talks about what an AR trigger was NOT,vs what an M14 trigger was and how to get there. Bill would not be a wrong move.
That said I think that unless you are a trigger snob like I can be, the RRA either service at 4.5 supposedly and the varmint at 3.5 supposedly, will suffice for most anyone. Obviously they are not drop in complete units so from lower to lower what you get may not be perfect and may have to be tweaked a bit. YMMV
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What I should ad, if that didn't come across, is that I have numerous stripped lowers laying around that ain't gonna do any good naked... Heck some are in the white still... have to figuer that solution out one day too...
Anyway, not wanting to drop in 200 plus bucks in a trigger thats just going to be a house/hunting/whatever gun, rather than Camp Perry gun, thats what I was after, way better than stock, but cheap at 62 each last year... damn the luck, should have bought 20 last year.... LOL
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primary arms Rock River Arms National Match 2-Stage AR-15 Trigger AR0093NMK
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Dropped $86 yesterday on the RRA Varmint version. Price is right for trying it out on a PSA build.
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Rost,
Is the RRA your preference for competition? I thinks service rifles have to be held to 4.5lb's. Does this trigger serve that purpose? Dave, The RR is a good trigger that gets the job done for a reasonable price. But the money-no-object choice is the Geissele NM trigger, part #05-130. The objective advantages of the Geissele are that it is readily adjustable and the lock time is faster. Feel is a subjective thing and varies depending upon who you ask and the particular trigger/lower receiver combination. I like the RR and a pair of them have served me well for over a dozen years and probably a 100 thousand cycles on each. But if I had $$ I'd buy a Geissele. The Milazzo's that Rost likes so much are back on the market and a lot of people really like them.
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Thanks Barry.
I have thousands of rounds over a RR two-stage and I've never had an issue. I think I'd just run one of those to get started.
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Opinions. Would you go with a Rock River varmint or a geissele G2S?
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unless you just have lots of money... my take, go to a reasonable gun, and start shooting.
Then find out what you like, if you like it, try others triggers, and then if you are MORE serious you'll end up building the gun as you want it to be with the trigger you want.
All the time keeping the first gun/trigger for a backup gun...
IE Rock River is more than good enough for starters.
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Bouncing this thread for best price on RRA Varmint 2-stage delivered.
Editing to say:
Seems like I've been through this a hundred times, trying to find a quality 2-state trigger for a good price for large pin Colt 6920's. Nada. If anyone finds an alternative to a Geissele, please update this thread.
I have been everywhere looking. Just got off the phone with Rock River. Referred there by the owner of ar15sales.com to see if they were planning on reintroducing the large pin version of their varmint 2 stage. Answer: Not at this time.
Public assistance announcement:
For those of you who do have a .154" (small pin) setup, ar15sales.com has the best price I saw anywhere at $86 delivered. I believe this is the deal JPro was talking about.
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Anyone know the differences between the varmint and nm triggers. I have both and tried adding jp Springs to the nm and could never get it to work right. The varmint model I have is about 4 pounds and works great
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Did you change the dis-connector spring as well?
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I think he has a good question. What exactly is the difference NM vs Varmint, just springs?
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Just got my varmint model in today's mail from AR15sales.com and I think it's pretty dang great. Only others I've had have been CMC 3lb triggers, but I think I like this one just as much. The CMC will rebound off my finger sometimes and doubletap. This RRA Varmint has 1 3/4lb of first stage and almost 2lbs of second stage, as per my Lyman digital trigger pull gauge. No creep. Not bad at all for $86 shipped.
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I used a RRA Varmint and it was slow to reset. I installed JP springs and it worked better. I think I was at about 4lbs when done.
On the other hand, I was able to lighten up the NM a little using the same JP springs. No problem.
Seems like 6 of one or half dozen the other, with equal springs. I suspect some manufacturing variation in both.
That why I was curious if anyone could answer cummingscowboy question: Is there any difference between parts in the Varmint or NM? Or is it just springs?
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I don't know about the RR, but Geissele says the difference between their NM trigger and their Match Rifle trigger is the springs. All of them are different.
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Is there any difference between parts in the Varmint or NM? Or is it just springs? I'm pretty sure the difference is just springs, supposedly ~ 1 lb difference in pull weight. If you were to change the springs in both, you should end up with the same trigger either way.
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2005 Colt lowers will take Geissele SSA and SSA-E triggers if I become so inclined.
Newer than that take any triggers.
Guess I could sell one of my 5 LEO 6920's if I really wanted to, which I don't, including 3 unfired 2015's with Kryptek Higlander Magpul furniture that are all small pin.
Everybody and their cousin wants a Colt. Easier to sell than phugkin ice cream.
What was your point, again?
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Did you change the dis-connector spring as well?
yes I did change the disconnector spring, you have to knock out the peened pin to get to it. its not really meant to be changed. I can't remember exactly what the problem was but I ended up putting the factory springs back in it. I think the RRA triggers are a bit heavier than what they advertise. but if you get the varmint model your going to have to spend double that at least to get a trigger that is noticeably any better and even then its going to be a very small difference. I still have a $62 varmint trigger in the package never opened waiting for something, LOL.
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I dunno about swapping springs, we just used to bend the trigger spring to make it what weight we wanted it to be while tuning it.
But for same price as NM, I won't mess with bending stuff to get to varmint....
Now, back to the 62 dollar search... LOL.
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2005 Colt lowers will take Geissele SSA and SSA-E triggers if I become so inclined.
Newer than that take any triggers.
Guess I could sell one of my 5 LEO 6920's if I really wanted to, which I don't, including 3 unfired 2015's with Kryptek Higlander Magpul furniture that are all small pin.
Everybody and their cousin wants a Colt. Easier to sell than phugkin ice cream.
What was your point, again? Point being why would you waste any energy on a Colt when it is such a pain to find a trigger for and is so readily marketable? Buy something you can buy the trigger you want for it. Either that or just live with the trigger they came with. You know that large pin Colt's are a pain in the azz by design, right?
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Please explain why it's so hard to find a trigger for a Colt.
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The trigger pin holes are NOT mill-spec.
Oh crap, here we go!
Really, the trigger pin holes are bigger than standard.
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Old colts, but I d ont' think new ones??? have larger trigger pins on purpose.
And there are not enough of them, IE no demand, to have all makers make replacement triggers with both pin sizes..
Heck its been so many years.. I don't even recall the two sizes. .154 comes to mind as one... I may be way off.
Now days most all lowers are more than good enough that you don't need a brand name...
YMMV
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Current production Colt's have .154" pin holes same as any other brand. Been this way for about 10 years or so.
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Ya I'm a Colt snob, I've only had lowers from Colt, Noveske, RR, Armalite, Bushmaster, Charles Daly and even Anderson.
Current Colt's use the same triggers as any others.
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I didn't see anyone mention you being a colt snob? May have missed it, being gone lots hunting lately I read faster than normal.
The old lowers with big pins were kind of a PITA but Milazzo made such and thats what we got before we realized we didn't need to spend money on names.
Hows the weather in OK lately? Pretty cool down our way.
Jeff
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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It was 10 degrees here today but little wind. Saturday I pulled stands on our lease since the place sold and just barely beat the front coming through. Got home and it was 27 with 30 mph winds and drizzling rain, snow, by the time I got everything squared away I was froze.
No problem on being a Colt snob, just messing around since I own one.
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Yeah, I figured ya'll might have had a bit of icing.
We were lucky, no moisture. Hit here at 645 pm with strong winds... I gutted a doe shot with Carolyns new 10mm glock in the wind an hour later with sweats on... got cool. LOL.
Sorry to hear about the lease. That sucks.
Ain't a thing wrong with colt, never has been that I recall, other than some shoddy 380 mustangs at some point, and now some of the 1911s sure ain't what they used to be, but what is..
Stay warm!
Jeff
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Heck, trade that old POS Colt for a new Colt with milspec holes.
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We're back to the same place. Why would I sell a gun at a potential loss that has gone bang every single time I've fired it through thousands of rounds with a combat trigger?
I've got 3 other 6920's with small pins I can mess with. For what I paid for them at their lowest price point last year (~ $750 average for the 3) I've got enough leeway to go with an SSA or SSA-E in the other 2 large pin guns. I'm just thrifty enough to have been looking for a possible alternative.
I don't look for reasons to sell my guns. What I really mean is, I rarely sell my guns and it burns a lot of gray matter to get to THAT decision.
I have a few, but I don't have many "Wish I had that one back" moments.
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There are offset adapter bushings to use small pin triggers in large pin guns. No idea how that works out, rost495 might have some insight, but it is possible.
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The offset pin is for the front take down pin, not the trigger pin.
Let's Go Brandon! FJB
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Local, I"m with ya. I buy a gun to keep. And if I have to put more into it, so be it.
Carolyns new 10mm glock... holster, mags, replaced the trigger. Replacing sights. May replace barrel. But its HER gun and its not going anywhere...
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rost, I checked out a Glock 10mm at the LGS a couple weeks ago. They are... magnetic. 
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Yep, I think #2 is in the works so we can leave one in AK, and keep one here, setup all the same...
Sure whacked the heck out of a doe the other week for me. Big holes in each lung. I was kind of amazed.
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Rost, still more than you found them last year, but better than previously posted... RightToBear.com has the RRA varmint trigger on sale today for $75.
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