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Here are some comparisons based on factory data and my daughter's .308 Win Ruger Hawkeye:
SAAMI MAP
6.5CM = 62,000psi
7mm-08 = 61,000psi
.308Win = 62,000psi
6.5CM - Nosler #8, Barrel=24"
130 AB BC=.488, SD=.266, MV=2953fps (43.5g RL17), Recoil= 14.63ft/lbs @ 11.21fps
129 ABLR BC=.561, SD=.287, MV=2953fps (43.5g RL17), Recoil= 14.48ft/lbs @ 11.15fps
140 AB BC=.509, SD=.287, MV=2731fps (41.5g IMR4350), Recoil= 14.09ft/lbs @ 11.00fps
7mm-08 - Nosler #8, Barrel=26"
140 AB BC=.485, SD=.248, MV=2953fps (47.5g Big Game), Recoil= 17.13ft/lbs @ 12.13fps
150 BT BC=.493, SD=.266, MV=2869fps (49.5g Hunter), Recoil= 18.57ft/lbs @ 12.63fps
150 ABLR BC=.611, SD=.266, MV=2869fps (49.5g Hunter), Recoil= 18.57ft/lbs @ 12.83fps
.308 Win - Nosler #8, Barrel=24"
125 AB BC=.366, SD=.188, MV=3036fps (50.0g TAC), Recoil= 15.96ft/lbs @ 11.70fps
150 AB BC=.435, SD=.266, MV=2997fps (46.0g TAC), Recoil= 18.37ft/lbs @ 12.68fps
6.5 CM - Barnesbullets.com, Barrel=24"
127 LRX BC=.468, SD=.260, MV=2865fps (45.0g Superformance), Recoil= 13.98ft/lbs @ 10.96fps
7mm-08 - Barnesbullets.com, Barrel=24"
120 TTSX BC=.373, SD=.213, MV=3196fps (48.4g CFE223), Recoil= 15.77ft/lbs @ 11.64fps
.308 Win - Barnesbullets.com, Barrel=24"
130g TTSX BC=.350, SD=.196, MV=3207fps (49.1g H335), Recoil= 17.72ft/lbs @ 12.34fps
150g TTSX BC=.357, SD=.226. MV=2994fps (49.4g BL-C(2)), Recoil= 19.61ft/lbs @ 12.98fps
.308 Win - Ruger Hawkeye, Barrel 22"
130g TTSX BC=.350, SD=.196, MV=3045fps (52.5g CFE223), Recoil= 17.45ft/lbs @ 12.24fps
150g TTSX BC=.435, SD=.226, MV=2765fps (46.0 Varget), Recoil= 17.07ft/lbs @ 12.11fps
Nosler 6.5 CM, 130AB = 251/295yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -33.6" 2095fps 1267fpe
Nosler 6.5 CM, 129ABLR = 254/299yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -31.5", 2197fps, 1383fpe
Nosler 6.5 CM, 140AB = 234/275yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -41.4", 1944fps, 1174fpe
Nosler 7mm-08, 140AB = 251/296yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -33.6", 2090fps, 1358fpe
Nosler 7mm-08, 150BT = 245/288yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -36.3", 2034fps, 1378fpe
Nosler 7mm-08, 150ABLR = 249/293yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -33.4", 2183fps, 1587fpe
Nosler .308 Win, 125AB = 251/294yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -35.7", 1908fps, 1011fpe
Nosler .308 Win, 150AB = 252/297yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -33.8", 2037fps, 1382fpe
Barnes 6.5 CM, 127LRX = 244/287yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -37.4", 1991fps, 1118fpe
Barnes 7mm-08, 120TTSX = 263/309yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -30.3", 2049fps, 1119fpe
Barnes .308 Win, 130TTSX = 262/307yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -31.3", 1993fps, 1146fpe
Barnes .308 Win, 150TTSX = 248/290yd Zero/MPBR; 500yds = -37.7", 1852fps, 1142fpe
Ruger .308 Win, 130TTSX = 251/294yd Zero/MPBR, 500yds = -36.3", 1871fps, 1010fpe
Ruger .308 Win, 150BT = 234/274yd Zero/MPBR, 500yds = -42.8", 2018fps, 1142fpe
Wrote the above this morning before heading to the range where I shot my iron-sighted, 16.1" barreled and braked 6.25lb .308 Ruger Scout, a .30-06 Ruger Hawkeye, my Ruger M77 .257 Roberts and a (not mine) 6.5CM Ruger Precision Rifle with a Thunderbeast can. Have to say the Ruger Precision rifle with the can was the most pleasant to shoot. Recoil was minimal and with the US-whatever scope on top, dialed in for 600 yards and the correct windage, hitting the 600-yard steel was a point-and-shoot no-brainer. The .30-06 Ruger Hawkeye had a Burris Ballistic Plex Fullfield II 3-9x and the owner of the Ruger Precision Rifle nailed the 500 yard steel on both attempts (his only shots with the rifle). The .257 Roberts had a Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14xAO that has been upgraded with a MOA dial on top and Leupold's Varmint Hunter reticle. Hitting the steel at 500 was as simple as dialing in 5.4MOA per my Android calculator and holding left for the wind. Really liked the Ruger Precision Rifle. With 140's at about 2700fps there was enough energy at 500 to wrap the chain on the 1/2" thick, 4" diameter steel around the supporting 2x4. You can draw your own conclusions form the numbers above. If you have any problems with them, please direct your complaints to Nosler (whose velocities I often find impossible to match with my rifles) and Barnes.
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so your saying the 308 isn't a modern cartridge? No idea where you came up with that. Seems you're reaching for an argument that simply isn't there. Guess you can't read. Right there .Not reaching for an argument.
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308 165 accubond @ 2750 pretty much covers it for me.
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so your saying the 308 isn't a modern cartridge? No idea where you came up with that. Seems you're reaching for an argument that simply isn't there. Guess you can't read. Right there .Not reaching for an argument. Only if you're a moron.
But for a hunting cartridge I do believe that most guys are best served with a rifle chambered to a modern cartridge in .24, .25, or .26 caliber.
Your killing me, so your saying the 308 isn't a modern cartridge? I didn't even mention any cartridges in that statement. I mentioned some bullet diameters. There's a lot I didn't mention. I consider even the 30-06 to be a modern cartridge, not that it's anything new. I didn't mention the 6.5 creed or the .204 ruger. Any of the ruger cartridges. All quite new, for that matter. Interesting to note that the bullet diameters I did recommend are mostly based on old cartridges. The .24 is mostly prevalent in cartridges based on the .308 or the 7X57. The .25 is mostly available based on the 30-06 cartridge. The .26s are most popular in cartridges based on the .308 or the .250 savage. If you think I said anywhere that the .308 is not a modern cartridge, then find a tutor and work on your reading comprehension. Moron...
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I have a tikka 308 im looking to sell as im just not fond of it. I handled one of the bergara b14 rifles the other day and plan to purchase one. Juet not sure if i wanna go 308 again or go with a 6.5 creedmore. Will the 6.5creed do pretty much all a 308 will do with less recoil? Or would the 308 be a more versatile choice? Used for primarily hunting I purchased a Bergara B-14 Hunter chambered in 308 simply because I wanted to play with the rifle. I do not think you will regret your decision. My rifle is very well finished the stock is stiff and comfortable accuracy is excellent and the trigger is pretty damn good. If I would have had a choice between the Creedmore or the 308 at my LGS I would have picked the Creedmore. My interest in the Creedmore is strictly from a hand loading aspect.While it wont do anything the 6.5x55 cant do performance wise it was desighned to duplicate that level of performance in a true short action.With the proper bullets selected I doubt you would see any real difference in on game performance between the 308 and the Creedmore but IMO the potential accuracy advantage goes to the Creedmore strictly due to its throat Geometry and COAL latitude available to the handloader.
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Guys, I've read thru P 8 and lost interest in the gack. The following pics are on P 4 from 'formidilosus' I have never seen that MUCH tissue destruction personally from ANY cartridges/bullet---I HOPE I never do. I AVOID any/all bullets capable of such carnage. If you like it--it doesn't bother me. Whatever floats your boat. ![[Linked Image]](http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx87/Vereor1/IMG_4747_zpsl8wzde7t.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx87/Vereor1/IMG_4876_zpsih2evx9v.jpg) Jerry
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jwall, what bullet is that? I had an antelope hunter blow a pronghorn to smithereeeens with an SST.
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I really like the 6.5 Creedmoor...
I surely agree that Hornady makes good "affordable" ammo for it. But there's a huge vast selection of 308 Winchester factory ammo available from a multitude of sources, available, if reports are true, worldwide...
The factory ammo argument favors the 308 IMO.
Midway for example has 147 308 ammo choices, and 16 for the Creedmoor.
Nonetheless, I prefer the lil'Creedmoor.
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jwall, what bullet is that? I had an antelope hunter blow a pronghorn to smithereeeens with an SST. Those are my pictures. They are from two different deer. Both 77gr TMK from a 223 Tikka. Approximately 20in of penetration through bone with a massive wound channel. They were posted to highlight that bullets kill by destroying tissue. All else being equal, the more tissue destroyed the faster things die. How much tissue is destroyed is primarily dependent upon bullet construction and not bullet diameter. Bullets matter more than headstamps- With the correct bullets you can have a 300 Weatherby with a tiny wound channel and a 223 with a wound channel so big some people wouldn't want to shoot an elk with them.
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JG - This the post from Formid.. on P 4 I read fore & aft and best as I can determine the bullet is from a 223. NOT SURE but in the discussion Formid.. didn't specify WHAT bullet--UNLESS I missed it. I noticed he didn't say specifically (what bullet) in his last post per your ? to me. The best I can do. Jerry I would. That 22-250 can penetrate as deeply with the correct bullet as your 308 with 180 NPT's or... Can you tell me what made these wounds? This bullet penetrated approximately 20in, no exit. Point of the shoulder. ![[Linked Image]](http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx87/Vereor1/IMG_4484_zps1pjlycfx.jpg) This one penetrated approximately 18-20in, no exit. Went through the shoulder blade, this is the wound behind the blade. Another as above, 18-20in penetration, through shoulder blade. This is the blade itself.
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It's this one. Sierra Tipped Match King. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.sierrabullets.com/images/bullets/MatchKing%207177.jpg)
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To each his own, but I believe I'll pass on the exploding bullets. This is the primary reason I do not like VLDH, 7mag @ 100yds [img:left] ![[Linked Image]](http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/JGrimes_2007/IMG_1134_zpsbb8d98fb.jpg) [/img] ....and why I don't like 139gr SST's in 7mags @ 100 yards... [img:left] ![[Linked Image]](http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t32/JGrimes_2007/139SST_zpsb6855fde.jpg) [/img]
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