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I'm sure it does, and no where did I say that it didn't. You came into this conversation all to hell from the word go. I on the other hand did not and would have loved a friendly discussion with you about it. Insted of maybe being a little friendly and making your statement you went on a rant attacking me with your comment. No where did I say anything about long range hunting, but you inferred that I did. So not quite sure why your being such a dick

On the other hand the 6 creedmore is a long range hunting/competition round by design first and foremost. That's the only place it has any advantage over the 243 isn't it??

Why would I want a 10 twist over a 8 or 9 twist? What advantage would there be? Why don't you attempt to answer that one. Good luck

That's why the twist for the 243 "should" be 8-9 cause the above question doesn't have a logical answer (other than for spinning light bullets faster for say varmint maybe?!?)

Have you ever heard of the 244 Remington? if not maybe you should educate yourself on it and you will understand this discussion a little better. It died because of being spun to slow in factory chambers. They renamed it the 6mm Remington and spun it 9 twist to stabilize heavier bullets. Not my fault tikka spun your barrel to slow.
The 244 Remington was spun 1-12 not 1-10 and therefore could generally not stabilize pointed bullets of more than 90 grains as originally introduced. The 243 was spun 1-10 by Winchester from the get go so as to stabilize the 100 grain pointed deer bullets it was originally introduced with. Aside from the abnormally long, high BC target bullets there remain very few hunting bullets that won't properly stabilize out of a 10" twist.

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problem was it was not spun for what the shooting community wanted or needed

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my rem 788 6mm is a 1-12 and it shoot excellent with 70gr bullets.most groups are .5. it will also shoot 1inch groups with 100gr bullets.anything heavier you can forget.the gun was rebarreled to a varmint weight bullet and i use it for varmint hunting most of the time instead of deer.

we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.

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Originally Posted by srwshooter


we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.


Kinda tells a story don't it.



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Originally Posted by kevinJ
problem was it was not spun for what the shooting community wanted or needed
And yet the .243 remains a huge seller for Winchester, Browning, Weatherby, Tikka/Sako, Thompson Center, Mossberg and others, all with 1-10 twist. There is a reason for that and I'd bet it's that not one in 100 .243 owners gives a rats azz about shooting bullets that won't stabilize out of a 10 twist.

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I actually wish that the 6 Creed would be speced with a 7 twist barrel.

That way when the bullet makers push the envelope with 115 grain projectiles, the gun will still be able to spin them.

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For guys with custom rifles and handloads it doesn't really matter.

I love the 243 but if you could buy 105 bthp's for $25 a box for 7/8 twist 6creeds otc(coppercreek already loads) it would be a great option to have.



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Originally Posted by srwshooter
we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.


Bull S**t ! I have yet to read a post here, or elsewhere, stating that the 6.5 Creedmoor did not shoot well. And that includes custom builds and off the rack RAR, Howa's, Kimber's, and Savages.

Stay away from whatever it is he's smokin', 'cuz it's some wacky chit.


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At my range, all the 6.5 Creeds are in the hands of young guys with hipster haircuts.

To act my age, I have to shoot a cartridge from when I was young, the 7mmRemMag.



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Originally Posted by Clarkm
At my range, all the 6.5 Creeds are in the hands of young guys with hipster haircuts.

To act my age, I have to shoot a cartridge from when I was young, the 7mmRemMag.



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Well...I'm old school so I'll stick with the .308 Win! When I really want to go back....I pick up the '06!

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I think the 6mm Creed was developed to please the PRS crowd. Probably one of the winningest cartridges right now. Must be easy to get to shoot and brass must last good. I almost went that route on a gun I am building right now but decided to go with 6-6.5Lapua instead.


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Originally Posted by Clarkm
At my range, all the 6.5 Creeds are in the hands of young guys with hipster haircuts.

To act my age, I have to shoot a cartridge from when I was young, the 7mmRemMag.




Now you're making me feel old.... frown...... grin

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Pretty obvious who has dabbled in the 105s.

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we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.


Kinda tells a story don't it.



Time to find a new gunsmith.

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Originally Posted by Higbean
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we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.


Kinda tells a story don't it.



Time to find a new gunsmith.


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If anyone cares, current Ruger .243s are twisted 1-9, which ought to handle any hunting bullets. Reloader 26 adds maybe 100fps for 100gr bullets, which is nice. Case trimming is a pain, but since it's a deer rifle for me, not a target or generally a varmint round, I can live with it. If I ever re-barrel mine, I'll think about the CR, the XC, or maybe the AI.

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What a factory rifle in 6 Creedmoor would offer would be the exact thing many of us have spent a lot of money to get via a new barrel. And that's the ability to shoot a 105 Scenar, Berger, or Amax. The ability to shoot those bullets puts the .243 on an entirely new level for both the hunter and the target shooter.

I already have a 105 shooting 243AI in the safe that has killed a mountain of bucks via 105s, but if I didn't, I'd be all over a 6 Creed.

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Be a fun rifle to shoot.

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Originally Posted by Higbean
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we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.


Kinda tells a story don't it.






i've seen many guns he has built that shot great. he's been in business for 50years or so.he flat out loves the 260 and the 6.5x55sw.i have not shot a creedmore and i have shot most other 6.5's and i like them.everytime i'm in his shop and anyone brings up the creedmore he says its the worst of the 6.5's. i haven't heard much bad about any of the 6.5 caliber other then him.

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