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I appreciate all the input,I too think the 284 is a cool cartridge. I have gone full circle with 7mms,guess I might be a little short on mag length if dreaming up a tikka build. Thinking I would do something just a little different. But, this is coming from a guy who just bought 300 pieces of 7wsm brass, I don't even have a 7wsm anymore.
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284 is about the only 7mm I don't own
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I say do it you will not regret it. I always like the look i get when people ask me what i am shooting. Only a true rifle loon can appreciate things like that.
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The Winchester SA might work perfect for one... I measured my SA M-70 EW this week. With the spacer removed from the mag, it measures 3.090. Every hand load I've made through the years for a 7X57 would fit in this!
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I bought my first deer rifle in 1966, a .284 Winchester and with it, I made my two longest kills. A bit over 300 yards each with handloaded 130 grain Speer bullets and IMR-4350 or H-4831, don't remember which powder. I say go for it!
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The Winchester SA might work perfect for one... I measured my SA M-70 EW this week. With the spacer removed from the mag, it measures 3.090. Every hand load I've made through the years for a 7X57 would fit in this! I hear you there. That's what I was thinking. It would make a nice 284 sized rifle.
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I think the 284 Win is just toooooo cool for some. I have a R77 rebarreled with a Shaw and chambered in 284 Win. I have also had a 6x284 and also have a 6.5x284. All great. Just make sure you have enough box and action length. Some tweaking may be needed, but there are those who can do that well if needed. Mine shoots everything well, but ended up with 120BTs, 140SBs and 160NPs for standard loads. A hammer for most anything on this continent. And I have nothing against any other 7mm round. Tim
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There's nothing magical about the 284 but there's nothing magical about any cartridge; but the vissitudes of fate initially matched it with unkind (to it) rifles. Now that we can know better how it can be properly housed it is an excellent short 270-280. Not many decry those two for being well balanced, very effective big game cartridges.
My longest shot was a Nebraska whitetail buck right at a ranged 500 yes with a 150-gr at 3000 fps. I have since dropped down to the 140-gr TTSX at 3150 fps. This last load goes into .5 MOA at 400 yards.
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120BT laser death ray on whitetail! It's a great caliber. Build it. Well said and double dittos on the 120NBT. I've had a bunch of 284s but my favorite woods gun was a Browning Micro Medallion. The 120NBT kills deer far above its pay grade.
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There are several articles over on Accurate Shooter about the .284 Win
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I forget about accurate shooter, I assume most smiths could get the reamer or knock the dust off one in the shop..... this site is terrible for peer pressure ☺
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I used the 120 BT out of my .284 Win at 3200 FPS on 2 deer. One was a whitetail buck at 35 yards. The deer was walking at the time and just took off, but died after a 40 yard run. I hit the heart and found the coreless case in the off shoulder. The next day I shot a mule deer doe at 280 yards through the shoulder. The bullet deflected up through the neck and out the head on the opposite side.
From my Win. Mod 88 it would put 5 round into 1/2' or less with regularity. This is why I used it and all the positives about it here on the fire. After my experience on game I am a little leery of it.
By the way, if I were to build a rifle I would want it in .284 also. I just like this cartridge.
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I think that since you are building a rifle to meet your specific wants/needs, you should build it in whatever configuration you want to build. There is no doubt that the rebated rim 284 is cool, so if cool is an important node on your decision hierarchy, the 284 is worthy of strong consideration.
You're right about peer pressure. If a person was susceptible to peer pressure, all the great ideas brought forth in this place could send that person to the poor house, particularly if he/she chased even a fraction of the hot trends. I'd be willing to bet that McMillan sold more than a few stocks to guys who were blissfully ignorant of them before they came here, saw Big Stick's pile of "McSwirleys", and then placed their orders.
Good luck with your build.
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Just make sure you have enough box and action length. Tim
AND be sure the throat is NOT too short to USE the mag length. This is ALSO important. I ran into that with a Win production 70 in 270. I had plenty mag length BUT the throat was so short the bullets had to be seated very deep. The bullets in a loaded round look like a birds beak. Jerry
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if i were building a hunting rifle in 284 winchester this is the way i would do it....
buy a used Forbes short action rifle that will give you a great stock and an action that will be 3.00 inch oal capable then send it to Melvin Forbes and have him install a #2 barrel at 22 inches....Melvin has probably built more 284 winchester chambered rifles than anybody
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Easy to do on a Tikka T3 too.
Has Lapua brass been mentioned in addition to Norma?
Good stuff.
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Well, I have 2. One is a Browning micro lightweight and the other is an ULA. I originally bought the browning because it was available and it has been a fantastic rifle. Then I bought an ULA, and all my other rifles sit…it is a great round.
Could you go 7mm-08 and be close? sure. With modern powders they are close. But I wouldn’t hesitate to go 284 Win.
Enough already, just shoot it!
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Did Winchester ever chamber the M70 in 284 WIN caliber?
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.284win was only offered in the M88 and M100.
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.284win was only offered in the M88 and M100. In the 1990s(?), Winchester/USRA made a limited run of 284s in a detachable magazine Model 70.
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