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Entirely slipped my mind, IIRC they made one run of only 200
all too little too late especially for a 1963 release proprietary cartridge.

I identify with this. Hunted whitetail with .284 for years. Deadly!

You won't be sorry..

There is a browning medallion with a 20 inch barrel on gunbroker right now at a decent price. I got the lead bid but don't really need it cause I gorgeous you savage, a ruger and a winchester dbm all in 284.

Dam auto correct. Lol

I had an early Ruger M77 flat bolt in 284 Winchester. I had a nice hand load with a Speer 130 grainer over some IMR-4350. Shot my best mulie buck with that gun and load. I sill wonder why I sold it.

Yep! It AIN'T limited to the 284 case either. W/O going into a list, I've read many things about many rifle brands - cartridges - bullets - cases - etc. that I have NOT had ANY problems with at all. I'm not sure at all WHERE some ideas come from. I just S M H and go on.

Jerry

For the last 10 yrs, I've owned a 284 win built on a late model NH CRF Win M-70 SA. It's gone through several iterations:

Originally had a factory stock and its 7-08 barrel reamed to 284 - shot about 1.25" groups
Put it in a McM Edge, put a fluted Bartlein #3 on it and had the action trued - shot a little better - maybe 0.80" groups but was very picky.
It currently has a Douglas #2 on it (installed by Douglas) and is in a 12.5" lop B&C ltwt Medalist for the wife to use since she had a Remington trigger issue last year and has sworn off Remingtons forever. It's not shooting that well - maybe 1.25".

We've taken several deer over the years with this rifle in all three configurations, Hope got a nice 9 pointer with it this year at about 160 yds with 140 gr Nosler AB (one shot DRT).

But I am not happy with the accuracy. I'm thinking about selling it all - trued SA with spacer removed, both stocks and all 3 barrels.

The .284 is a great cartridge, especially in my NULA!

I have had one or two 284s in the collection for over 30 yrs.

The oldest one and one that I will never part with is a Ruger M77 tang safety that was a 6mm Rem. While it has had a few modifications over the years it always fed this cartridge fast or slow with no issues. It is now on barrel #4.

This rifle has taken elk, coues wt and javelina as well as jackrabbits and coyotes. Used a wide variety of bullets from 100 gr X to 160 partitions. Too many to list.

At one point I had my gunsmith lengthen the mag box to 3.1" for a useful OAL of 3.050".

I like this cartridge so much I built a twin to the Ruger using another tang safety Ruger in 6mm-284. I can use the same S bushing die and much to my surprise the 284 win competition seater die works fine with the 6mm-284!

Recently rebarreled the 284 win again. This time I used a reamer made to my specifications to seat the 168 VLD .015" into lands. Very accurate. Killed a coues wt at 450 yds last year.

IMO best powders for bullet from 120 gr to 168 gr are H4350 or RL-17

While Winchester brass is sometimes hard to find and not of the best quality there are two options. You can neck up 6.5-284 Lapua brass OR buy Bullets.com's brass made by Norma, which is made to very strict standards.

read about bullets.com's 284 win brass here:
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...asher-and-284-win-brass-for-bullets-com/

link to buy the Norma brass. It is on sale:
http://bullets.com/search?q=(category:Brass)+AND+(brand:Norma)+AND+(cartridge:%22.284+Win%22)

Make a 284 win and enjoy it.

I built a 284 awhile back only it's necked down to .224 I love that lazer flat shooter 22-284

If Winchester had chambered it on a 3" box in the Model 70 Featherweight, they would have owned the market for "mountain" rifles and changed the course of cartridge development history.

From the very beginning, Winchester could have chambered the 284 in the Model 70 with a magazine block and shorter bolt stop, but they chose not to do so. If they had felt that the 284 would be a critical node on the timeline of cartridge development history, I'm pretty sure that they would have seized the opportunity to leverage it for every cent that it would generate. Heck, Federal and Remington were so taken by the 284 that they have never sold loaded ammo or component brass for it and Remington has never built a rifle chambered for it. Even when Winchester introduced the short action Model 70 in 1984, they chose not to chamber the 284. That doesn't mean that the 284 is a bad cartridge, it just means that no American manufacturer of firearms or ammunition ever felt that it would be a big enough seller to make a major commitment to it.

circa 1963, What advantage would M70 .284win FW offer over FW .270win?
I dont see any good reason that would cause the consumer market to rush to the .284win
Rem. also ventured into the short-fat market with its bolt action 6.5mm Rem Mag but most
didn't care for it.

Likely none. The cartridge was not developed for bolt rifles; it was made for the Winchester 88 and 100 IIRC,to give 270-like ballistics in those actions....sort of like a short 280 Rem for their pumps and autos.

(Funny both the 280 and 284 were designed with the same objective and when they tried to move to bolt guns they both got hammered by the 270 ).

It may come as a shock but even as far back as the late 60's no one really gave a hoot about short actions. Ruger was among the first to offer them in the new M77,but everyone I knew who bought one waited until they offered a 270 or 30/06. You saw a 284 here and there.

I never saw a SA as a virtue in and of itself and still could care less about them,so the 284 never got a second look from me.

I hung with some real rifle nuts.....one had Dale Goens build a 284 on a pre 64 30/06 action so he could seat bullets out long. I had the temerity to ask the guy why he didn't just build a 280 instead and he almost never talked to me again.

How many 284's Goens built I have no idea but I bet it was not many.

Bob

I knew very little about the 284W @ 1980 but I liked the idea of the 88 in 284.

Now, I've come to like the 'looks' of the case in a Mauser 98.

I'd take a 284 over the 260, oh that's right, I already did.

Jerry

The .284 is an interesting cartridge that fills a niche. If you are using a long, heavy action, the .280 competes with it effectively. If you want to use a short action, it gives more powder capacity and performance than the popular 7-08. In the ULA/NULA, Melvin recognized its potential for use in his short, light Model 20 (20 ounces) action to maximize performance with a factory round.

While it is absolutely true that the 284 case holds more powder than the 7mm-08 case, the difference in performance isn't very large, maybe 150 fps if all other variable factors remain constant/equal. And, until Norma birthed their version of the 6.5-284, component brass was often hard to find and expensive when finally found. Winchester/Olin's decision to make 284 component brass only as a seasonal run saw to that.

I like the 284 and 284 based wildcat, probably have a dozen or more of them around, but my positive bias toward the 284 doesn't cloud my vision to its deficiencies. The point being that if you're going to jump into the 284 pool, you should do so knowing both the positives and the negatives so that you can make an informed decision.

I ran a WSM box on a M-70 (Redneck build) and with 52gr of RL-15 at 63.5K it pushed 120 NBT's to 3260fps and was pretty devistating on Whitetails both near and far.

I think 3260fps "might" be a gain over the 7-08. Others may not.

BTW that 120 NBT is one tough bullet! I recovered one from the back leather of a Buck shot straight on just above the nose, the jacket recovered jacked weighed over 50gr.

If all variables are equal, my experience with both cartridges has been that larger case capacity of the 284, around +/- 10 grains, gives it a muzzle velocity advantage of around 150+/- fps over the 7mm-08. In the 1980s and into the 1990s I shot the crap out of the 284 and a variety of 284 based wildcats. Heck, I probably have a couple hundred rounds of 125 and 150 grain Yellow and White box Winchester/Olin factory loads in the storage unit and at least 300 rounds of reloads.