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Stick I'm surprised this interested you,

Both my son and daughter prefer the 243 so they typically grab both of mine for hunting season and casual shooting.

I probably won't share the 25-06, likely won't shoot it past 500 yards at anything but a coyote and likely won't even put a 1,000 rounds through it in my lifetime. So most of your observations don't apply to my use but interesting info. The old Conquest has been used to kill a pile of deer and elk when it was on my 7 RM longest shot at 513 on a big boar with 150 grain TTSX so it should still be OK on a 25-06.

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All this from the guy who once told us that the 257WM was FAR superior to the 264WM all because of the magnificent 100gr Barnes.

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Originally Posted by specneeds
Ok I'm convinced that the gift of ammunition dies and bullets is a sign that means that I need a 25-06. What clearer sign than my wife saying do you want that rifle as a Christmas present.

Whittaker's has a Howa for under $350 as does gunbroker and a TC venture for the same price. I've shot both and would lean towards the Howa unfortunately both are 22" barrels but either makes a nice walking Varmint rifle or deer gun.

I like them better than any other budget rifles from Savage and don't know anything about a Mossberg Patriots.

Anything I'm missing or just buy the Howa?


I'm impatiently waiting for Whittaker's to get their share of the non-cataloged RAR-Ps in 25-06.

I strongly dislike the Hogue stocks that come on the Howa 1500s, so when I buy a Howa 1500, I have to factor in the additional cost of changing out the stocks. The least expensive option is to find a current production V2 stock for between $50 and $100. That bump in cost makes the Howa 1500s within about $100 of the V2s and the V2s have 24" barrels.

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For what it's worth I took my 25-06 that I got "because it was there" out this year for the first time in the woods - 2 shots, 2 deer, no tracking, no wasted meat. I've used a 6mm and 30-06 in the past, so I knew the 25-06 would do just fine, but I was impressed with it's simple effectiveness.

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I would not choose a "carbine" barrel (22"); there are a lot of 24" and some 26" available, much better for this overbore ctg. And, don't let the above rant-post cause you to despair--a quick check shows that Hornady and Nosler offer BC's of .39 to .45.


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Not sure what your budget is but you might look at a Weatherby Vanguard if you're liking the Howa. Vanguards are made by Howa for Weatherby and I believe they come with a 24" barrel as well.


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I got to say this has been an interesting read. I no longer reload. I sold my 25/06 in a M77 a few years back and had shot a 270 for about 15 yrs. because I liked my little Ruger 77UL in that caliber (still do). But, when I read the reviews on the little Marlin in the 25/06, I grabbed one and haven't looked back. I've noticed that the 14 or 15 deer I've killed with it the last 5 or 6 years didn't notice the BC of the bullet (120 gr. Core-Lokts), they weren't able to tell the bullet wasn't travelling as fast because it was a 22" barrel, in fact most of them didn't notice much of anything because most expired pretty much instantly.

In fairness and full disclosure, I own an old flatbolt M77 in a 243 but have never hunted with it. But, I have hunted with my BIL for over 40 yrs and up until 2 yrs. ago, he hunted with a 243. I have trailed and tracked enough deer he has shot with little blood to show for it to know that if I were to shoot the 243 I would definitely try to shoot him high in the shoulder. I guess what I am saying is, I am not smart enough to figure out how much a bullet will drift, sink, and curve; all I know is when I pull the trigger on the little Marlin something has always died-quickly. And that, to me, is what is important if I am getting a gun for hunting.

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specneeds -

Don't obsess over 22". 24" or 26". My .257 Roberts is a 22" and it does just fine.

Anyone that tells you the .25-06 isn't worth your time is someone you should ignore, same as if they argue the .300 WBY is the best choice for elk for everyone or that the earth is flat.


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Used mine on antelope and coyotes.


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Forgot,also used it on jackrabbits.


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My budget is as little as I can spend for a decent accurate rifle that is pretty low these days compared to several years ago. Since the wife wants to give it to me that is even more important that she believes rifles are affordable. I have a 3-9 Conquest and Talley's that fit either the TC or Howa sitting in the reloading room.

Antelope at 400 is the benchmark of required accuracy. I have a 1900 vintage 30-30 and Dad's old 06 that would struggle any other center fire I own will do that easily.

I have an older Vanguard in 300 Wby and like it very much since I put a Timney in it a few years ago. Would prefer not to need to do that again.

Thanks for the input so far - am I missing something with another budget contender?

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I have a B78 in .25-06 that is the most accurate rifle I have owned. Using 117gr. SST bullets it is very effective on Mule deer and Whitetails. Most shots out to 300 yards are DRT affairs. I trust the rifle to get the job done and it has never let me down. It is a very versatile cartridge.

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Funnier than fhuqk,how DUMB Fhuqk's fixate FLUFF and get giddy about everything that does NOT make a fhuqking schit!

The 25-06,is no different than any other .257" chambering and simply fhuqking sucks,due it's projectiles. Bullets ALWAYS matter farrrrrrrrrr more than headstamps. Hint.

Nice to see "overbore" too. Laughing!

EVERY .257" bullet thus far cited,is a whopping turd and a Plain Jane Vanilla 243Win 700 or RAR with a 22" spout,will bitch slap it into next fhuqking week.

.257" 100TSX at 3350fps? Big Fhuqking Deal.

Assumin' 1.75" sight height(6x MQ in the saddle) and a 250yd zero. That bullet drops 13.4" at 400yds,drifts even more than that in a 10mph full value at 14.6" and arrives the scene at 2221fps. 600yds is 57.4" drop,36.7" drift and 1753fps. 1000yds is 313" drop,129" drift and 1101fps.

A "lowly" 22" 700 243Win will squirt a 105 Hornie HPBT at 3050fps and when zero'd same,do the followin'. Drifts CONSIDERABLY less at 3.7"(think percentages) and arrives the 250yd line only 14 fhuqking fps slower. At 400yds it drops less than halfa fhuqking inch more,drifts but 9.8" and arrives better than 125fps faster. Down at the 600yd line,it drops 2.5" less,drifts over a foot less at 23.6" and arrives better than 275fps faster at 2032fps. The 1000yd line do the Quarterbore's ZERO fhuqking favors,as the ittty-bitty 243Win Factory Rifle drops over 5 FEET less at 251" and drifts 4 FEET less at 76.2" and "only" arrives the scene 388fps faster.

The rifle is better balanced,better handling,lesser weight,lesser length,recoils less,is cheaper to shoot,not as loud and will reliably out-Agg same too...if only for fhuqking starters. Hint.

The AB's,NPT's,Speer and Hornie dogschit thus far "espoused" in .257",only paints a more grim extrapolation and muchly sweetens the 243Win's gross advantages,even further. Re-hint.

'Course I may or may not shoot a herd of 8" and faster twist 6mm's too and prolly have seen a .257" bore size or two to boot. Re-re-hint.

VERY much enjoyed the 650yd+ 25-06 "advantages" ala 120gr Speer SPBT. FUNNY schit!

Zero'd as above,that bullet drops more at 650yds(5-inches),drifts more(7-inches),arrives the scene 166fps slower and arrives with 40 ft lbs LESS "energy" for Drooling Dumbfhuqks who factor Fluff.

As an aside...I'm fairly certain a Vanilla 243Win SALAMI will murder schit just fine,inside the 650yd line too. 'Nother hint. Hint.

The only stupid fhuqking thing for Dumbfhuqks left to say,is to use a long barrel.

Oopsie...too fhuqking late!!

Laughing!

People crack me the fhuqk up and it ain't ever been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't.

Hint.

Though in "fairness" I "only" shoot 270,6BR,XC,243,243AI,6mmRem,6mmRemAI,6-284,6-06 and 6-06AI. As Quarterbores go,"only" Bob,Better Bob,25-284,25-06,25-06AI and 257Wby.

The 25's simply cain't hang with the 243's,due boolits.

You've been led to water and have been missing it ALL.

HINT.

Thank me later...................


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Originally Posted by 3584ELK
Originally Posted by Big Stick
Funnier than fhuqk,how DUMB Fhuqk's fixate FLUFF and get giddy about everything that does NOT make a fhuqking schit!

The 25-06,is no different than any other .257" chambering and simply fhuqking sucks,due it's projectiles. Bullets ALWAYS matter farrrrrrrrrr more than headstamps. Hint.

Nice to see "overbore" too. Laughing!

EVERY .257" bullet thus far cited,is a whopping turd and a Plain Jane Vanilla 243Win 700 or RAR with a 22" spout,will bitch slap it into next fhuqking week.

.257" 100TSX at 3350fps? Big Fhuqking Deal.

Assumin' 1.75" sight height(6x MQ in the saddle) and a 250yd zero. That bullet drops 13.4" at 400yds,drifts even more than that in a 10mph full value at 14.6" and arrives the scene at 2221fps. 600yds is 57.4" drop,36.7" drift and 1753fps. 1000yds is 313" drop,129" drift and 1101fps.

A "lowly" 22" 700 243Win will squirt a 105 Hornie HPBT at 3050fps and when zero'd same,do the followin'. Drifts CONSIDERABLY less at 3.7"(think percentages) and arrives the 250yd line only 14 fhuqking fps slower. At 400yds it drops less than halfa fhuqking inch more,drifts but 9.8" and arrives better than 125fps faster. Down at the 600yd line,it drops 2.5" less,drifts over a foot less at 23.6" and arrives better than 275fps faster at 2032fps. The 1000yd line do the Quarterbore's ZERO fhuqking favors,as the ittty-bitty 243Win Factory Rifle drops over 5 FEET less at 251" and drifts 4 FEET less at 76.2" and "only" arrives the scene 388fps faster.

The rifle is better balanced,better handling,lesser weight,lesser length,recoils less,is cheaper to shoot,not as loud and will reliably out-Agg same too...if only for fhuqking starters. Hint.

The AB's,NPT's,Speer and Hornie dogschit thus far "espoused" in .257",only paints a more grim extrapolation and muchly sweetens the 243Win's gross advantages,even further. Re-hint.

'Course I may or may not shoot a herd of 8" and faster twist 6mm's too and prolly have seen a .257" bore size or two to boot. Re-re-hint.

VERY much enjoyed the 650yd+ 25-06 "advantages" ala 120gr Speer SPBT. FUNNY schit!

Zero'd as above,that bullet drops more at 650yds(5-inches),drifts more(7-inches),arrives the scene 166fps slower and arrives with 40 ft lbs LESS "energy" for Drooling Dumbfhuqks who factor Fluff.

As an aside...I'm fairly certain a Vanilla 243Win SALAMI will murder schit just fine,inside the 650yd line too. 'Nother hint. Hint.

The only stupid fhuqking thing for Dumbfhuqks left to say,is to use a long barrel.

Oopsie...too fhuqking late!!

Laughing!

People crack me the fhuqk up and it ain't ever been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't.

Hint.

Though in "fairness" I "only" shoot 270,6BR,XC,243,243AI,6mmRem,6mmRemAI,6-284,6-06 and 6-06AI. As Quarterbores go,"only" Bob,Better Bob,25-284,25-06,25-06AI and 257Wby.

The 25's simply cain't hang with the 243's,due boolits.

You've been led to water and have been missing it ALL.

HINT.

Thank me later...................


Were you drunk when you wrote this?



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Huh?

Well anyway I say just buy one and see for yourself. If you don't like it you can always get drunk and cuss it on some hunting website. Wow.


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spec -

"What's a 25-06 Good For ?"

Well since it's smaller than a 270 W...

the 25-06 is good for game smaller than coyotes. whistle
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I have had several of the .243 and .25-06.. Rebarreled my last .243 to a .300 Savage.. For me the .25-06 is one of my three favorite rounds.. Go for it..


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Specneeds-as I said, I have one of the little Marlins chambered in the 25/06 and I can't say anything bad about it. I have seen them in the used gun racks around here for about 275. I didn't give but 300 for mine new a few years ago. Put Weaver rings on it, a Vortex Viper 2x7 and haven't had to change zero since I first sighted it in 6 or 7 yrs. ago. The trigger is about as good as it gets for a $300 gun, in fact it is nice. Whatever you end up with in that caliber, I suspect you will satisfied. Good luck whichever way you go.

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Everything Stick said about the 243 vs 25-06 is pretty much dead on.

Gotta give credit were credit is due. Now that said would I buy a 25-06 if I had one or more 243's? Hell yes! That is what rifle cranks do!

In fact I have killed more big game animals since I came to Wyoming from Europe with the 25-06 than any other caliber.


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Originally Posted by Fotis
Everything Stick said about the 243 vs 25-06 is pretty much dead on.

Gotta give credit were credit is due


Yes, we all know the BC trumps velocity at long range.

And a Ferrari will out run a Willys on the freeway. But it's not what I would pick for a hunting vehicle.

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