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Eu amo meu modelo novo 70 rifles! Eles são melhores do que qualquer damn pre 64 modelo 70. O MOA gatilho é melhor, o, o CNC machinging é melhor, é melhor becasue nós portugueses fu ckers torná-los. Entendi? Boa....

They missed the zombie apocalypse.

Found these in the back of the safe the other day. Prefer the older Winnies. The top 270 Super Grade I have box and papers from 1949.

Already sold. Bummer.

1. "world famous" trigger that:
(a) Safety fails on fire
(b) does not lock the bolt
(c) looks like a "Hurst" shift gear

2. flimsy, sheet metal extractor requiring cleaning else it fails

3. lovely, throat lozenge looking bolt handle, "gorilla glue friendly"

Yeah, I'll stick with Winchesters...

I think the situation is for hunting rifles the era of quality large corporation mass produced guns is over. Large business that focuses on increasing sales 5% every quarter is not going to find much satisfaction in the sporting arms market place in the future. Why? The country is awash with good used hunting arms. The number of hunters and places to hunt are diminishing. There have really been no significan improvements to hunting arms in the past 50 years at least some may even go back to the 7x57 and 30-06 . Scopes have seen some benefits from technology but rifles and shotguns not so much. So I think nice hunting guns are going to become the domain of the smaller companies and the majors are going to be one more focused on defense contracts and maybe still provide some cheaper low end mass market firearms.

Some people refuse to accept the TRUTH, regardless of the language.

I suspect that Mule Deer is 'WEARY' of trying to talk to a fence post.

S M H !


Jerry

Well, actually, they ARE world-famous - but not in a good way.

Others above are right, though.. Most buyers are looking to save a few bux in the cheaper rifles.. Problem is, they're acquiring items that offer less reliability and longevity; the trade-off...

After Browning screwed the pooch with their ignominious MOA trigger, the prices of used or LNIB M70s have been going through the roof..which I love - since I'll be selling off a few shortly..

There, you see...THOSE are rifles!

Nice! Mine are well liked by the owner, but most are more worn than those...

My Portuguese is mucho rusty, but

I love my new model 70 rifles! They are better than any damn pre 64 Model 70. The MOA trigger is best, the, CNC machining is better, is better because we Portuguese fu ckers make them. Get it? Good ....

Oh when you talk that dirty Portuguese.

R E A L L Y ?

When was the 308 W introd.?

When was the 7 RM introd.?

When was the 7-08 introd.?

When was the 260 R introd.?

et. al.

NOW, are you talking 'firearms' or cartridges or both?

Good firearms didn't cease to be manufactured in 1964 !

I have & have had rifles MUCH better than those made by...
1967......2017-50 = 1967 I'd really hate or despise being limited to rifles made BY 1967.

Jerry

You just caused a few SCD's.

You can still find plenty of model 70's on gunbroker and the new CNC machined rifles put the old stuff to shame....I do miss being able to walk in a gun store and pick a nice example off the shelf, nothing but junk in the racks of gun stores these days cause thats what sells.......Hb

Maybe Trump can sway Browning to bring Winchester back to America, and make it great again. Then on his second term, he could use one to kill an elephant, rhino, and other big stuff. Stick it in the Smithsonian and sell commemorative models for decades to come!

The "new" stuff is selling below the "old" stuff by quite a bit - and I'm not talking about the pre-64 stuff..

NH rifles seem (from what I've just checked on) to be bringing quite a premium.. Can it be because they DON'T have that pos MOA trigger???? Hmmmm?


Inquiring minds wanna know..

Redneck: please explain why you are so down on me MOA trigger.

Is it because it is an enclosed box design?

I have a couple of them and I think they are great. Granted I don't hunt in freezing mud or snow anymore.

Sincere question. Not trying to pick a fight

I understand.. And yes, it's because it's enclosed.. The NH rifles were a wonderful example of reliable simplicity and totally user-friendly.. Could they be improved? Absolutely. All BACO needed to do was refine the sear/trigger surfaces and they'd have had an incredible item.. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, in typical Browning style they just HAD to totally change it, over-complicate it and make it rife for failure.. The morons..

There's already a recall on some of them and more will follow - trust me.. Yet I do not recall a SINGLE factory recall on a NH M70 trigger - ever..

If I'm wrong, I'd welcome the correction..

Ok thx. I guess time will tell