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What's this I am hearing about a new .22 caliber cartridge from Nosler? Anybody have any dope on this cartridge yet?
I am hoping for a 22 Creedmoor type with a 7 or 8 inch twist

I'm betting we will find out in the next couple of days.

Same here. 22-250 Ackley speeds in a 7 twist would be a good market to be in.

I heard it might be a 6.8 SPC necked to .22 cal.

I have been itching to build a .22 centerfire. Just can't decide on what.

Its not. I checked the specs...its damn close, but no cigar! Probably closer to that than anything else though.

Might match my 22-243AI?????????

I'm just guessing by what I could find but it will be closer to the performance of a .223AI than to the .22-250 or .243 sized cases....

Assuming I don't slide off the Interstate tomorrow morning, I'll ask them about it at DSC.

Oh, good. I am getting an AR built in that clambering.


Would not be as fun if it was commercial.

Pretty sure that it is a souped up AR cartridge, built roughly on the SPC or Hagar case.

It should get the "most" out of a 22 caliber AR magazine restraints.

Doesn't excite me much personally, but I suppose it is the natural evolution of the 22 caliber AR platform.

Might be a good match to a Howa Mini or Zastava M85, or the CZ527.

I see the 527 is going to be offered in 6.5 grendel.

Would be a neat rifle in .22 somethingorother.

Great gun for the lads first deer gun - see wheels turning

I heard somewhere, Here maybe ? , that CZ was changing/fixing the bottom metal on this years 527 . Anyone know anything ?

Yes, I heard that too.

I actually want to get a .17 Hornet before they change the bottom metal. I like it for some reason.

I was a fan of the original 452 as well.

However, a 527 in stainless with a laminate stock would be great, no matter what bottom metal it had.

The 452 was a .22LR, I think you're thinking of the BRNO Fox, or a BRNO 465 which has a little longer mag in the .22 Hornet, also chambered in .222 .

It carries fine in my 7.62x39 carbine

Nothing wrong really with a protruding single stack dbm, just know that a staggered column internal mag with hinged floorplate, would serve the .223 & .204 chamberings so much better.

If the mag is long enough and the twist tight enough, I would consider reaming one out to .22-204 75 Amax .

Oh well. But if if it is AR based I imagine they will be partnering with Noveske again so it will be done right. Unlike when Reminton introduced the .30 AR. A .300 Savage in an 5.56 sized AR seemed so good but Remington cocked it up.

My guess (and it's a total guess ) would be that Bob is going to revive the .223 Weatherby project.

Basically, that case is the .223 Ackley Improved with Weatherby's signature Powell-Miller venturi shoulder. The case capacity is identical to the .223 Ackley.

Nosler's Ballistic Lab did all of the development work on the .223 Weatherby and I have several of the Oehler printout sheets on it. Keeping chamber pressure UNDER SAAMI for the .223 Remington, the Improved case yields a cool 4,000 fps with 40-grainers, 3,700 fps with 50s and 3,500 with 55-grain bullets.

Weatherby was about to introduce the round and I even wrote a cartridge profile for the Nosler Reloading Manual ... when Weatherby suddenly decided to drop the project.

Frankly, it was a huge waste of my time and effort, trying to help the folks out. Water under the bridge now, but it was a bit of a piss-off.

Rumor had it, at the time, that Weatherby supplied one-million Norma cases to Nosler for the cartridge load development. Maybe Nosler held onto the cases and decided to go forward with the project themselves.

Anyway, that would be my guess.

God Bless,

Steve

PS. I was sworn to secrecy about the .223 Weatherby project at the time. It's now several years later, so I guess it's now OK to talk about it. By this time, both the folks at Nosler and at Weatherby have totally forgotten about an elderly has-been minor gun writer, so "It don't mean nothin'".

Steve,

Do you recall what twist rate they were going to use?

Steve,

Thanks for the insight mate.

- Bob