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Thanks, not hot rod'n it just thinking a 230 grain JHP say Gold Dot or Golden Saber at 1000FPS should work fine for my needs otherwise I will buy some buffalo bore?

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I shouldn't even mention this but it will confirm how much of a fossil i am.
I ran across about ten boxes of those speer 200gr flying ashtrays a few years ago. Yeah i know, better stuff out there yada yada yada.


but with a good dose of power pistol they are uber awesome


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I wouldn't have a problem using them!

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Originally Posted by Esox357
For full power woods loads with 230 grain bullets, anyone have any favorite powder?


Personally, I like 8.0gr of AA#5.

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Originally Posted by RoninPhx
I shouldn't even mention this but it will confirm how much of a fossil i am.
I ran across about ten boxes of those speer 200gr flying ashtrays a few years ago. Yeah i know, better stuff out there yada yada yada.


but with a good dose of power pistol they are uber awesome


Those are cool bullets! Great find.

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Originally Posted by Esox357
Thanks, not hot rod'n it just thinking a 230 grain JHP say Gold Dot or Golden Saber at 1000FPS should work fine for my needs otherwise I will buy some buffalo bore?


Yeah that'll do, and you can definitely get there with your G21. Work up carefully of course, and use powders in the burn rate range between Unique and Blue Dot, with slower being better.

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Nice Mackay! See if my pistol will run them? I'm thinking it should.


Of course it should, that's what we've been telling you. The "conflicting reports" are from people who are guessing and repeating stuff they read online.



I do not think it is a general problem with the SWCs in the Glock 21, but my 30SF will not run 200 grain SWC rounds that work fine in 1911, M&P and Springfield XDs platforms. I have tried charge weight and COL variations to no avail. I gave up trying to make a magic SWC formula for just this gun. The rear of the extracting case catches on the flat part of the front of the top bullet in the magazine and leaves a semi-circle mark. This does not happen with round nose or hollow points rounds. Some have stated on other forums that it has to do with the geometric changes needed to make the short frame version of the 30, which results in a different relationship between the slide and frame, but I cannot speak to that assertion.


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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
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Nice Mackay! See if my pistol will run them? I'm thinking it should.


Of course it should, that's what we've been telling you. The "conflicting reports" are from people who are guessing and repeating stuff they read online.



I do not think it is a general problem with the SWCs in the Glock 21, but my 30SF will not run 200 grain SWC rounds that work fine in 1911, M&P and Springfield XDs platforms. I have tried charge weight and COL variations to no avail. I gave up trying to make a magic SWC formula for just this gun. The rear of the extracting case catches on the flat part of the front of the top bullet in the magazine and leaves a semi-circle mark. This does not happen with round nose or hollow points rounds. Some have stated on other forums that it has to do with the geometric changes needed to make the short frame version of the 30, which results in a different relationship between the slide and frame, but I cannot speak to that assertion.


Factory barrel and mags, or aftermarket parts?

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Thank you all. See what I can do with this 21?

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Two ways, totally stock and also with a KKM barrel. Factory mags, 9 and 10 rounders. I gave up, not worth it.


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That is odd. I have not met a Glock yet that wouldn't run with SWC bullets, although I have seen a very similar issue to what you describe in the XD with the top mounted extractor. You're the first I've heard with first hand experience of that in a Glock, everyone else seems to be repeating what they heard from someone else.

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If you want a factory hot rod try a Corbon 165gr @1250fps and almost 600ftlbs. It's a hand full..




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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
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Nice Mackay! See if my pistol will run them? I'm thinking it should.


Of course it should, that's what we've been telling you. The "conflicting reports" are from people who are guessing and repeating stuff they read online.



I do not think it is a general problem with the SWCs in the Glock 21, but my 30SF will not run 200 grain SWC rounds that work fine in 1911, M&P and Springfield XDs platforms. I have tried charge weight and COL variations to no avail. I gave up trying to make a magic SWC formula for just this gun. The rear of the extracting case catches on the flat part of the front of the top bullet in the magazine and leaves a semi-circle mark. This does not happen with round nose or hollow points rounds. Some have stated on other forums that it has to do with the geometric changes needed to make the short frame version of the 30, which results in a different relationship between the slide and frame, but I cannot speak to that assertion.
My statement was from my glock 30. It will not run swc ,I would have assumed the feed ramp was the same on a 21 but ??

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6.0grs Unique with 200swc, and 6.5grs Unique with 225 TC hard cast for my "woods" loads.

I did buy a couple pounds of Clays at Mackay's endorsement to ease up on my Unique consumption, but haven't shot any yet.


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Originally Posted by ldholton
My statement was from my glock 30. It will not run swc ,I would have assumed the feed ramp was the same on a 21 but ??


Apparently not. Although, I've used several 30SF and one 30S that all ran fine on my SWC loads (200gr cast SWC & 4.0gr-4.3gr Bullseye depending what I'm loading for). If I ran into the extraction issue described above though, first things I'd try are making sure the extractor doesn't have gunk built up in it, and bumping up the load slightly to increase slide speed. Don't know if that would help in yours or not? I rarely clean my Glocks though and haven't had problems so the extractor gunk seems unlikely to be an issue.

For sure though, the G21 is the easiest of the lot to run with any bullet you want, including full wadcutters if the load is tuned right.

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Originally Posted by Yondering
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My statement was from my glock 30. It will not run swc ,I would have assumed the feed ramp was the same on a 21 but ??


Apparently not. Although, I've used several 30SF and one 30S that all ran fine on my SWC loads (200gr cast SWC & 4.0gr-4.3gr Bullseye depending what I'm loading for). If I ran into the extraction issue described above though, first things I'd try are making sure the extractor doesn't have gunk built up in it, and bumping up the load slightly to increase slide speed. Don't know if that would help in yours or not? I rarely clean my Glocks though and haven't had problems so the extractor gunk seems unlikely to be an issue.

For sure though, the G21 is the easiest of the lot to run with any bullet you want, including full wadcutters if the load is tuned right.
Mine a fail to feed issues, Now thinking about such I might try a stronger recoil/slide spring spring length would be the biggest difference and weight of the slide momentum.

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A feed issue is very surprising. Got a picture of your loaded round? A picture of the feed issue would help too; does it nose dive, or hit the side of the chamber?

You could certainly try a different recoil spring, but I doubt a stronger spring is what you need. The round should flow right in the chamber, it shouldn't need a stronger spring to force it past a hang up.

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Originally Posted by Yondering
A feed issue is very surprising. Got a picture of your loaded round? A picture of the feed issue would help too; does it nose dive, or hit the side of the chamber?

You could certainly try a different recoil spring, but I doubt a stronger spring is what you need. The round should flow right in the chamber, it shouldn't need a stronger spring to force it past a hang up.
give me a couple days and I can get some pics. It's been a year or more since I tried them If I remember right the stuck nose up. I tried lenghts too long too short and every where in between.

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Originally Posted by ldholton
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A feed issue is very surprising. Got a picture of your loaded round? A picture of the feed issue would help too; does it nose dive, or hit the side of the chamber?

You could certainly try a different recoil spring, but I doubt a stronger spring is what you need. The round should flow right in the chamber, it shouldn't need a stronger spring to force it past a hang up.
give me a couple days and I can get some pics. It's been a year or more since I tried them If I remember right the stuck nose up. I tried lenghts too long too short and every where in between.


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When you get a chance to look at it, compare to these pics and figure out what is different. Maybe these will help.

Here's my 21, slide locked back with top round seated fully in the mag. Note how the round is pretty much aimed right into the chamber already. This is the Lee 200gr SWC, very similar to the H&G #68.
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Here's the first point of contact with the feed ramp; the nose just barely touches before entering the chamber. These feed like dropping marbles in a funnel. Yeah, it's dirty, but it doesn't matter.
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The little 9mm has to ride up the feed ramp farther, but still no issues. This is the Lee 105gr SWC; it's a very short round.
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Ok tried again to night, Data I have shows COL from 1.170 to 1.230 depending on which manual you look at. at anything from seating shoulder to the 1.230 ammo "jams" against top part of chamber. Lenghten out to 1.290 and ammo chambers fine (10rounds) using mag. release , Than firing rounds cases tend to catch on the "bullet shoulder " and won't eject.
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