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The one I had worked just fine.
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For those with experience running a 223AI from a AR magazine, what load were you running, from what barrel length, at what velocity?
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If I may, if not I don't care LOL.
Cuz said with his 24" barrel, he's using 27.5 grs of TAC with a moly'd 60 gr NBT at 3280 fps. Has gone to 3360 fps but accuracy is best at his 3280 fps load.
24" barrel again, moly'd 50 gr NBT with 28.8 grs of H335 gets 3610 fps.
20" barrel, 50 gr NBT, no moly, 28.7 H335, 3500 fps
20" barrel, 50 gr NBT, no moly, 28 grs H335, 3410 fps is very accurate
CCI 41 primer.
He's here in Oklahoma with me and loads are worked up in the summer heat. Case life is good (his complaint with the 22 DTI was loose primer pockets with like velocities).
From my bolt gun experience, Lever will yield a little more...
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So blue your ready to go full azz hat too? Why are you even commenting?it's clear you don't even have the beginnings of a clue about the ackley crush fit. Google it.
Twr notice how it's a cousin or friend this or that. How many ackley chambered guns have you owned? Why are you even in a thread where you haven't even messed with ackley cases, same with you bluedart. You just parrot misinformation you have "heard" from cousins and friends. This is the worst thing about the internet people commenting on [bleep] they don't even know first hand. Then when someone does come with useful information you azz hat pile on them.
I don't have time right now to prove my point, but I will if you want to go full on azz hat The others are right, once again you are the clueless one, basing your whole point on an assumption - that a crush fit of any kind can't work in an AR. If you actually had the hands on experience to know what you're talking about, you'd know this is wrong. So care to explain why a fairly well known shooter in competition has and still, as far as I know, uses neck sized ammo in all his ARs? Thats not supposed to work eitehr and as I recall a malfunction is one thing I rarely if ever saw out of his gun/ammo combo... if thats not a crush fit by your definition, CC, then its about as close as you'll get....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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CC was pretty close to right but he didn't consider the crushing force of the AR bolt carriers design. There's a good reason the cam pin operates at an angle. And I am an A$$ 
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CC was pretty close to right but he didn't consider the crushing force of the AR bolt carriers design.
Yup. That is the problem with arguing theory against actual experience.
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Same reason I don't believe the chrono when it comes to best groups either... paper trumps a reading every last time.
If it works, then who cares really.
And about anyone with a bit of AR background knows the AI round works fine in ARs...
Well everyone but CC it seems....
Wonder if he would like to argue with my High Master classified friend too... LOL.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Disappointed here..
Still no azz whuppin.....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Rost: What load is your friend running in his .223AI?
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No clue. Never asked him. It would be heavy bullets anyway which most don't want to use.. likely 77 and up.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Actually he may still be running custom BR flat base heavies.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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The velocity and mass of the ar bolt is going to easily crush fit .004. Whether a standard or ackley round. Just try one. Although
It may not be as easy to go into battery on initial charging.
A lot of book reading doesn't mean much if there is no experience to go with .
"We are building a dictatorship of relativism which recoqnizes nothing as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists solely of ones own self ego and desires."Cardinal Rathzinger
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CC-Any update on how all these people can't do what they've been doing?
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Hey GSSP, I’m building a 223 AI upper to shoot the same comp because I’m not interested in a 223 bolt gun. This can, has and will be done with good results.
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Can I ask what gains you hope to see using the AI version of the .223 in an AR?
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Can I ask what gains you hope to see using the AI version of the .223 in an AR?
Travis The rules are that whatever round you shoot has to be based on 223/556 parent. I’m not doing a bolt gun, so the idea is to get as many FPS as possible out of a 70gr RDF from a 24” barrel. Also, I’m a tinkerer and don’t mind the slight complications involved with the AI.
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I now shoot a 223 AI bolt gun in PRS matches out to 800 yds. Running the 80 ELD-Match with H4895 and CCI 450 primers, i'm getting 3000 fps. Wind and drop are much better than my beloved 6.5x47 running 140 class bullets.
Alan
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Can I ask what gains you hope to see using the AI version of the .223 in an AR?
Travis I hate neck trimming.
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Can I ask what gains you hope to see using the AI version of the .223 in an AR?
Travis I hate neck trimming. We have shot matches in Price. I’m shooter #15. Last year was my first. Mike
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Can I ask what gains you hope to see using the AI version of the .223 in an AR?
Travis 125 fps more of less in an AR. And no trimming is nice White oak chambered both mine. 26" Ran 80s at 2900 with 25.8 RE-15 VV540 will get another 50 fps
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