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Well, being that this is the 24hr Campfire, I will say you need one(at least) of each, RickyBobby! As Mule Deer used to say, 'Duh!'  
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Easy carry, by more than a nose. You old farts are always complainin' about rifle weight. Why don't you do some workouts so you can carry a man's rifle? .338 WM, walnut stock, 26" barrel at a minimum, so you can reach out with enough retained energy and knockdown power. There's a workout thread on the backpacking forum, you need to get with the program. Common,a real mans rifle would be a 4 bore.  Obviously you need to read more Boddington.
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Cotis, Federal uses their own version of a bonded bullet in the Fusion ammo, not a Speer Hot-Cor. From the language used on their website, it looks like it's a plated bullet. They market it as the jacket and core being molecularly "fused", hence the name Fusion. I don't know if Speer makes the bullet or not
Didn't mean to derail the thread. Everyone can go back to loving/hating the 7-08 now. Good to know. With Federal and Speer both being owned by Vista Outdoor I figured they were using their sister company's product. I meant to say it is Deep Curl bullet, at least that's the rumor
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So easy to load for, that it is hard to look past a 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip and 43 grains of Varget.
...or a 139 Hornady...or a 140 Accubond... or a 140 Pro Hunter. All have also shot well with 43 grains of Varget for me.
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So easy to load for, that it is hard to look past a 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip and 43 grains of Varget.
...or a 139 Hornady...or a 140 Accubond... or a 140 Pro Hunter. All have also shot well with 43 grains of Varget for me. I have had no experience with the Accubond in this cartridge, but my experience mirrors yours with the Hornady and the Sierra.
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I just picked up this model 7 in 7mm-08 and dropped it in a H&S stock...It is going to be my walking around rifle.... [img:center] ![[Linked Image]](http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah224/lraywalt/20170113_084355_zpsbzkhbh31.jpg) [/img]
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I have always thought of the .257 Rob as the perfect whitetail cartridge and the 30-06 as perfect all around cartridge.
Now that I have a Tikka T3 Lite 7-08 I'm leaning toward that as a replacement (dare I say it???) for the venerable 06, tho I won't be selling my Mauser Straight Pull Springfield anytime soon.
The good is balance... rifle-wise, cartridge-wise with propellant, speed, and ease of forming brass (someone here once said that if his 7-08 could read it'd think it was a 7.62 NATO and that's true of mine as well).
The ugly is factory ammo; that inexpensive Hornady American Whitetail 139 Interlock load was sick accurate through mine. If I weren't a loonie I'd question the intelligence of continuing to use handloads!
The other downside to the 7-08 is one it shares with the 270, 308, and 30-06; once you have one you set yourself up for difficulty justifying a new big game rifle as a "need".
Mine will head west with me this October for pronghorn and return next year for elk. Love it.
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If dealing with a picky 7mm-08, acknowledging that most are not throated as long as a typical 308, a good magazine-length option is to try the Speer SPBT, as you can generally seat it to engage the lands if you want, or be just a touch off.
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Now that I have a Tikka T3 Lite 7-08 I'm leaning toward that as a replacement (dare I say it???) for the venerable 06, tho I won't be selling my Mauser Straight Pull Springfield anytime soon.
? ? ? I wrote 3 paragraphs...let's just say we have different opinions. Still friends. Jerry
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efw -
Let me qualify please.
As much as I like and respect the 7-08....
With 200 gr & 220 gr for 30-06, the 7-08 would have a hard time filling those shoes.
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With 200 gr & 220 gr for 30-06, the 7-08 would have a hard time filling those shoes.
Jerry
The 160 in the 7-08 at the same speed as the 200 in the 30-06 is a heck of a lot of cartridge. I'd not hesitate to use that load on anything a 30-06/200 would be loaded in NA for, and, hit the same, I have little doubt the outcome on any animal in any scenario would be different with either one.
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I played with a "standard" out-o-box 7-08. Liked the cartridge a lot. The one I'm just about to put together is on a 110 action so I'll have no length issues. Can't wait to play with it.
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With 200 gr & 220 gr for 30-06, the 7-08 would have a hard time filling those shoes.
Jerry Nor are 200 & 220gr needed for Whitetails which was the OP's concern. They will most certainly work, but for Whitetails will do nothing the 7mm-08 offerings will not and may do better.
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Nor are 200 & 220gr needed for Whitetails which was the OP's concern. They will most certainly work, but for Whitetails will do nothing the 7mm-08 offerings will not and may do better.
I'd agree to that, however my comments were made based upon efw's statement, ------------------ "... and the 30-06 as perfect all around cartridge. Now that I have a Tikka T3 Lite 7-08 I'm leaning toward that as a replacement (dare I say it???) for the venerable 06, tho I won't be selling my Mauser Straight Pull Springfield anytime soon." ----------------
The 160 in the 7-08 at the same speed as the 200 in the 30-06 is a heck of a lot of cartridge. I'd not hesitate to use that load on anything a 30-06/200 would be loaded in NA for, and, hit the same, I have little doubt the outcome on any animal in any scenario would be different with either one.
Yes, Brad I understand, but let's make a deal... When we come face to face with 'bone fidee'( ) BROWN BEAR, you can have the 7-08 and 160 NP or whatever.... I'll take the 06 w/200 NP. The outcome MIGHT be the same, but I'd feel better. Jerry
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At least you admit you preference is emotional and not rational. Kudos for that.
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At least you admit you preference is emotional and not rational. Kudos for that. Not necessarily. .284 - 160 VS ,308 - 200 Starts larger, expands larger I'd feel better based on larger entrance & larger wounds. Jerry
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At least you admit you preference is emotional and not rational. Kudos for that. That fits most opinions on cartridges, mine included LOL. I find that my opinion on cartridges is swayed by the accuracy of particular rifles I've owned. I like the 7-08 because I have one that's among the most accurate I've ever owned.
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That fits most opinions on cartridges, mine included LOL.
True enough!
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Weellll, now you guys did it again with all this 7-08 talk. I had the chance to buy a sako 7-08 AII in excellent condition and beautiful wood that I don't need and going to pick it up today. Killed a couple deer with one a few years back but sold it. I figured if I decide I don't want it at some point some rifle hound here surly will.
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Should we bring up the topic of the 7-08 loaded with 175 Partitions? What would it not do?
Seems like a 375 would be the next real step up if one needed that kind of muscle.
Though I sure enjoy the results of a good 30 caliber hole in NA game.
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