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Where is all the H4350?

My 30.06 will put 3 165gr Accubonds into one ragged hole at 2,875 fps with it.

I had 2 lbs on backorder at cabelas. They cancelled my order without letting me know. But now they show it as not available to order, period. Nobody else has it either(locally or online that I can find). Seems like pretty much every other powder made(ever Ramshot!)can be found somewhere.

Is it all going to the military or what?

Leftybolt

I've been doing a lot of load work with my 30-06 recently and there are quite a few powders that will work really well in your 30-06.I'm guessing your loading about 58.0grs with that 165gr AB.I tried all three of the 4350 powders and the results were very similar.Accurate Arms 4350 is a great choice if you cannot find the H-4350.I also liked the IMR-4350 too,but the AA-4350 overall gave me the best results of the three 4350's.Here are some of my loads for the 165-168gr bullets.These all shot an inch or less in my rifle.
59.0grs H-4350
58.5grs AA-4350
58.5grs IMR-4350
52.5grs AA-4064
60.0grs Hunter
56.0grs Big Game
63.0grs Reloader-22

Add IMR4451 to the possibilities. I've been switching all my former H4350 loads over to 4451 for a while now, and so far it's worked just as well in every load.

Thanks for the report. I'm about out of H4350 so I'll give 4451 a try.

I sure wish the new Enduron powders were priced like the other IMR/Hodg powders.

A bird in the hand I guess......

I have about 1 1/2 pounds of H4350, but I'm thinking about switching to a different powder for my 30/06 loads when I begin doing more loading this spring. I was thinking of going with Ramshot Big Game. The first bullet I have to test out is the 150 grain Nosler etip. Western Powder's data shows 56.6 grains of Big Game with the 150 grain etip for a muzzle velocity of 2,995. Would the IMR 4451 be a better choice?

I just want to get away from the H4350 since it looks like it may never be available again.

I get some amazing velocities in my 30-06 with Big Game.With 150gr Nosler BT,I got 3100fps with 58.0grs.56.0grs with a 168gr Nosler BT,I'm getting 3000fps.Accuracy is good too.No pressure signs.

bdan68,

I also use Big Game with 150's in the .30-06, and have for over 15 years now. It not only results in high velocities and fine accuracy, but is pretty darn temperature resistant in that combination.

It's around but not readily available. When you do find it expect to pay a premium.

I've read some past posts here on Enduron, specifically IMR 4451. I see where Mule Deer has switched over to it. My question is whether the lack of H4350 is a temporary glitch or is it being phased out? If it is on the "chopping block" then I will definitely switch over even though it has proven not to be as insensitive as Extreme. So Mule Deer and others, is there any "official" word from the manufacturer? I am at "decision time" as the 8 pounder is getting rather light.

Supply and Demand
Hurricanes in the Gulf
Seasonal Switch-over of Formulation
Chinese
Government Interference on Drilling

Okay then, Ramshot Big Game sounds good, plus I like that it's cheaper than the IMR 4451. Cabelas has the Big Game for $26.99 and the 4451 is $32.99. Not really that much money but if the Big Game works just as good why not save $6.00? I have a Cabela's store only 30 minutes away so I think I'll pick some up today.

Well I just got back from the Lacey, Washington Cabela's store. They did not have Ramshot Big Game. I had seen on gunbot that it was in stock at Cabela's but I guess it probably is somewhere but not in Lacey. Of the Ramshot powders they only had TAC.

I'm going to check to see if I can order it online and pick it up at the store with no charge for shipping. Most things you can do that, but I'm not sure if it applies to powder. I did pick up a pound of Re-26 for $27.99 because I've been wanting to try it with my 270 Win.

H414 is a another great powder for the 30.06 and a 165 grain bullet!

The plant where they make it isn't far from where I live in southern NSW. As far as I know they're still churning it out.

Perhaps Hodgdon want to get out of it and replace it with the Enduron line?

The Aus govt is pretty good at stuffing up good export programs so don't preclude that as a factor...

I'm in the same boat with 2 pounds left. I think our ship is sinking...... I wish I knew more about the enduron powders too. Particularly why it has copper fouling reducers and if it is more harsh on the barrel...and why the fu ck is 4451 so much more expensive than H4350?????

Yeah, it's temp sensitive as fu ck too. These are the temps I shoot in:
Bull elk 3 years ago:


Targets in the summer time:

Yeah, that's why I didn't want to use H414, and I do have a pound of it. Found out I can't order the Big Game from Cabela's without paying the $20 hazardous fee. So not sure what I'll do. I may have to go with the IMR4451. They had plenty at Cabela's. I just didn't really want to pay $33/pound.

Thanks for all the info fellas.

If they are phasing it out, so be it, I'll probably go the Enduron route. But, why would a company shoot themselves in the foot by stopping production of one of the most successful powders ever created without an explanation? I figured somebody here would know.

Leftybolt

A local gun shop that keeps a pretty healthy amount of powder in stock told me the other day that he hasn't received H4350 in 9 months. He was the owner and does all the ordering and he said he doesn't know what's going on.

On the flip side I've found Reloader 17 to be a great alternative. Velocities that can't be touched with H4350 and very accurate. Also readily available!

BSA I shoot H414 in 15 degree to 90 degree plus humidity without issue.

Haven't got down in the negative digits using it, so I can't say how it would affect the performance?