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According to Rule's Book Winchester dropped production of these in 1949, however I have found one with a 1952 serial number... This been said, it is mint by appearances, however I do not want to buy one that is not accurate to authenticity.

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No "expert" here, but it would depend on price. While it might be possible it's legit, there's no way to authenticate it (factory letter). If it's priced close to standard chamberings I'd buy it, at top dollar I'd be suspect and pass. JMO, take it for what it's worth.


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Definitely the Pre 64's are the most "falsified" rifles in the market place. Lots of parts from different years have found places on actions of other years to create a more valuable "rarity".
Agree with the above, if you can't authenticate the build, it is probably a fake, a spare parts gun, or a rebuild with a newly barreled action duplicating the original 7 x 57. I've actually seen a couple of these as they are close to the rarest of the cartridges in the Pre 64's. The ones I've seen you would have a hard time telling them from originals.

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You better check Rules book again. The "date's of actual manufacture" was from 1936-1954.... Just sayin... Gotta read the fine print sometimes... wink


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I was at a gunshow in Idaho falls couple yrs back a guy had a table full of pre 64's I'm know expert but I picked up things here they had a couple of them that had the wrong stocks i.e. Machine checkered stocks on pre 64 made in the early 1950's. I have the Winchester SN PDF saved to my phone.

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In the world of rare caliber Model 70's fakes abound, back in the late 1970's there were a couple of east coast dealers known for "creating" rare caliber M/70's. One is no longer in business and the other's reputation is pretty well known.

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My Rifleman's Rifle has been on loan out for a few months. The 7x57 had a few items with their own part numbers that really didn't make sense to me at least. The believe it had it's own magazine spring. That would be a quick check. If it isn't marked it ought to be easily enough compared with a standard 30-06 length spring.


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CrankEmUp: The pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters were offered in caliber 7x57 through the year 1954.
The Rifle you are interested in could certainly be an all original Rifle.
Use caution.
Do we have time for a quick pre-64 Model 70 7x57 story - I say we do.
About 1985 my good friend and fellow Model 70 enthusiast Maury were returning to his home in Bellevue, Washington after doing the local (but large!) gunshow that Saturday.
By coincidence his wife was also pulling in to their driveway after a days "garage sale-ing".
We had a tough day trying to find a deal on Winchesters that day but his wife had found a Winchester pre-64 Model 70 Carbine in 7x57 at the first sale she attended!
And she bought it for a song!
At first I thought my friend Maury and his wife Monty were playing an elaborate joke on me (nearly inducing a heart attack by the way!) but no they being devout Christians swore to me that her find was indeed authentic happenstance!
I fondeled that 95%+ Rifle on that day and on many subsequent days!
It was just cool to the maximum.
Sometimes you got to be in the right place at the right time.
Good luck CrankEmUp with the authentication and dealing on that rare Rifle.
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This is all great information. Thanks guys!!

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I remember reading in one of Jack O'Connor's books that in about 1955 or 1956 someone at Winchester called him and asked if he wanted a rifle made up using their last 7X57 barrel and of course he did. I think it may have became Elanor's rifle. On another note, I remember reading that famous gunsmith Jerry Fisher converted his 7X57 to the new 7MM Rem. Mag. when that cartridge came out. He regretted it.

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Think it was Jack calling Winchester to see if they had a 7x57 on hand. Winchester replied they had one 7mm barrel on hand and would make him one.


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I think you're right Sir. grin

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It happens every once-in-a-while. wink


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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Think it was Jack calling Winchester to see if they had a 7x57 on hand. Winchester replied they had one 7mm barrel on hand and would make him one.


I seem to recall the Shah of Iran son (Prince Palavi Sp) got the last pre-64 model 70 in 7X57 from Winchester. Jack wrote this in his "Petersons Hunting" article on the 7X57.

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Could be that Jack gave the 7x57 to him as a gift.


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What I remember about the 7x57 was Jack had Al Besien work on it. Jack was in a auto accident and wrote that when Al brought the rifle to his hospital room,that was when he (Jack) started his recovery.


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It would probably be cheaper to find a Winchester M54 in 7X57MM than a M70, but it wouldnt be any easier to find.....

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Be cheaper to buy a early 80's Winchester M 70 7x57.


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Originally Posted by doctor_Encore


I seem to recall the Shah of Iran son (Prince Palavi Sp) got the last pre-64 model 70 in 7X57 from Winchester.

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He was also fond of Weatherbys.... but with all that frickn wealth why not by pass them both
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Originally Posted by CrankEmUp
According to Rule's Book Winchester dropped production of these in 1949, however I have found one with a 1952 serial number... This been said, it is mint by appearances, however I do not want to buy one that is not accurate to authenticity.

Any suggestions?


Can you buy it with the three day return guarantee then ass haul it to a reputable appraiser?

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