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Interesting info; how about running it with a 77 gr bullet as well.

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Originally Posted by todbartell
22 Nosler loaded to same pressures as 223 SAAMI specs (55,000psi) from a 18" tube


That would be a lot more useful if you'd post an identical comparison for 5.56. Otherwise, we're not comparing apples to apples.

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Very interesting cartridge, particularly with the higher BC bullets

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I remember years ago running TZZ/IMI 55 ball over the chrono in 20 inch tubes and seeing 3300 and just over more or less as my memory goes.. they did seem like awful hot rounds, they were 5.56 and fired in a 223 chamber.. oh the horrors...


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That's the first rule of marketing, compare an anemic 223 load to a hot wildcat.it always sounds better that way.

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Originally Posted by TWR
That's the first rule of marketing, compare an anemic 223 load to a hot wildcat.it always sounds better that way.


Dang guys.

Lets make it simple: If you compare a small capacity cartridge and a larger capacity cartridge with the same bullets at the same pressure in the same barrels, which do you think will go faster?

It's not rocket science or magic, and the headstamp means nothing.

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So should we neck down the 30-06 to 22 caliber?

Of course the larger case is gonna win given like pressures but the Nosler marketing says 3350 is 22-250 velocity. Drive pressures up to 62000 in the 223 and the magical 300 fps isn't quite there anymore with the 22 Nosler.

This is basically the 22-6.8 with rebated rim is it not? If so, I've seen what the 22DTI can do and Mike is spot on in his maximum loads if you want to use the case again. Case life is short when you step on the gas.

Why no one wants to legitimize the 223AI is beyond me.

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Yes, of course it's a 22/6.8. Case life of 223/5.56 is short if you raise pressures too high as well, nothing special about the larger case there.

I don't care what Nosler claims about the 22/250. The point of this round is to be an improvement over the 223, in an AR15 platform. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.

It's pretty comical to suggest that a 223AI is comparable, unless you believe in magic headstamps. There's no making up for displacement.

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A useful step up imo starts with around 40 grains of water case compactly. Even that gives you only about 8 % more speed. There are some guys that have claimed insane speeds with the 22-6.8. Noslers offering verifies exactly what I said all,along. At the same pressures it's only about 150 fps faster.

I do wonder what making it a 20 would do. .

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It's not comical when you spend money on a new wildcat to find out the chronograph says you didn't beat the 223ai.

But have at it. Maybe Nosler's brass will be better.

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Originally Posted by TWR
So should we neck down the 30-06 to 22 caliber?

Of course the larger case is gonna win given like pressures but the Nosler marketing says 3350 is 22-250 velocity. Drive pressures up to 62000 in the 223 and the magical 300 fps isn't quite there anymore with the 22 Nosler.

This is basically the 22-6.8 with rebated rim is it not? If so, I've seen what the 22DTI can do and Mike is spot on in his maximum loads if you want to use the case again. Case life is short when you step on the gas.

Why no one wants to legitimize the 223AI is beyond me.


Interestingly I generally shot 60 plus on pressure in 223 according to some known comparisons... and I shot my once fired LC brass 5 times in important matches and then relegated to practice, which was generally another 10-15 firings...

But this is a bit OT. Never really dealt with loose primer pockets. Generally lost cases to neck splits eventually. Even with annealing every 5 loadings the first two rounds of loading. IE didn't anneal more or less after about the 11th firing.


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55g FMJ's have clocked over 3500fps from my .22-250. I have a Ruger MKII in .223 that pushes 40g bullets to 3345fps and my Rock River 'Coyote' upper with its Wylde chamber pushes .223/55g handloads to 3184fps. The last thing I need is another .22 that fits in somewhere in the middle.

While I wish Nosler the best with the .22 Nosler, I'm thinking it is a cartridge for loonies rather than the general public.


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As per their always,Nuzzler really dropped the fhuqking ball...and went FULL Window Licking Retard.

I like the Hornie 75BTHP at 2800fps+(pass the Lever') outta 18" Krunchentickers in 223/Wylde/5.56 yada,yada,yada.

Coming out with something "new" and taking a Goat Fhuqk case design(6.8SPC) and then further Goat Fhuqking it(rebating the rim),is fairly fhuqking hilarious. Then there is of course the fact that the 22 Nuzzler is a longer case than the 223,which obviously precludes using boolits which are the best of the ilk. Nuzzler yet again "offers" wares,that won't even shoot their own schit! EPIC fhuqking hilarity!

Obviously,nobody at Nuzzler shoots anything other than their mouth or Imagination,then they fhuqking proved it! Again. Hint.

All they had to do,was neck down the Grendel,eek the heavy COAL advantages and offer sumptin' that'd actually fling their own boolits,from long established/etched COAL confines and throat in accords. Doubly fhuqking funny,because they already offer Grendel brass. Hint.

That not even considering how much ass Nuzzler brass sucks,to begin with. So you "get" a schitty case design that is even more COAL hamstrung than the 223,"reap" Nuzzler rebated Dumbfhuqktitude and only to fling Ping Pong Balls at greatly added expense,diminished mag capacity,compromised logistics and copious Goat Fhuqkery as opening moves.

Typical Nuzzler.

Pass the 22 LBC and a 75 Poly Hornie at 2850fps,so as to reap the vastly superior BC's,vastly superior brass,vastly superior flight characteristics,vastly superior logistics and total absence of Nuzzler Dumbfhuqkery and their hilarious focus on headstamps.

Pass the .460+ 75gr Hornie BC's and hold ALL of the fhuqking Fluff.

Hint.

Just sayin'.

Bless their hearts.

Laffin'!

Yep...boolits matter more than headstamps.

Re-hint.





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rost, for clarification, the 223AI has had great case life as does the 223. The short case life was that of the Hornady, SSA and RP 6.8 brass when the gas was stepped on in the 22DTI (22-6.8spc).

Interestingly enough, the large primered RP brass did a little better but I'm assuming Nosler is using a small primer in the rebated case...

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Originally Posted by Boxer
As per their always,Nuzzler really dropped the fhuqking ball...and went FULL Window Licking Retard.

I like the Hornie 75BTHP at 2800fps+(pass the Lever') outta 18" Krunchentickers in 223/Wylde/5.56 yada,yada,yada.

Coming out with something "new" and taking a Goat Fhuqk case design(6.8SPC) and then further Goat Fhuqking it(rebating the rim),is fairly fhuqking hilarious. Then there is of course the fact that the 22 Nuzzler is a longer case than the 223,which obviously precludes using boolits which are the best of the ilk. Nuzzler yet again "offers" wares,that won't even shoot their own schit! EPIC fhuqking hilarity!

Obviously,nobody at Nuzzler shoots anything other than their mouth or Imagination,then they fhuqking proved it! Again. Hint.

All they had to do,was neck down the Grendel,eek the heavy COAL advantages and offer sumptin' that'd actually fling their own boolits,from long established/etched COAL confines and throat in accords. Doubly fhuqking funny,because they already offer Grendel brass. Hint.

That not even considering how much ass Nuzzler brass sucks,to begin with. So you "get" a schitty case design that is even more COAL hamstrung than the 223,"reap" Nuzzler rebated Dumbfhuqktitude and only to fling Ping Pong Balls at greatly added expense,diminished mag capacity,compromised logistics and copious Goat Fhuqkery as opening moves.

Typical Nuzzler.

Pass the 22 LBC and a 75 Poly Hornie at 2850fps,so as to reap the vastly superior BC's,vastly superior brass,vastly superior flight characteristics,vastly superior logistics and total absence of Nuzzler Dumbfhuqkery and their hilarious focus on headstamps.

Pass the .460+ 75gr Hornie BC's and hold ALL of the fhuqking Fluff.

Hint.

Just sayin'.

Bless their hearts.

Laffin'!

Yep...boolits matter more than headstamps.

Re-hint.




What are your 22 LBC loads? Powders,bullets. What reamer did you use? AA or Lapua brass? Which mags?

Will your 22 LBC rifle chamber a 75 amax a mag length ...touching lands?

I am shooting the 6 Rat off the Grendel case. 105's touch at mag length. 2750 fps

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FWIW

The H2o capacity of the 22 Nosler fired brass,
in my sample was 37.4 grs, flat meniscus,
114.7 grs empty, with primer,
152.1 grs H2o, with primer.

From the sample I have,
there seems to be a fairly tight chamber,
as there is very little expansion just above the web area,
primer is normal appearing, there is a ejector mark,
and the line from bolt face extractor area,
consistent with the AR type bolts.

The diameter of the base, below the web expansion area,
just above the extractor groove measures measures .416.4",
across the web expansion area measures .418.5"
case neck thickness is .012/.013" (4 places checked)
length measures 1.475".

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Originally Posted by DanInAlaska
I find this statement interesting, and it's a shame it's only mentioned in passing: "Also in 22 Nosler is a 77-gr. Custom Competition bullet at 2950 fps."

I will wait to see full details before I pass judgment, but if Nosler has come up with a cartridge with a little more 'oomph' than the .223, and specifically designed it to propel long/sleek bullets from the tight confines of an AR magazine, I'd buy/build one.

From the side-by-side comparison picture at the link, though, it looks like the case length is the same as the .223 Rem. While that might work well enough with Nosler's 77-grain bullet (.340 BC), it doesn't look to offer better logistics for higher-BC bullets like Hornady's 75gr ELD (.467 BC).

More speed is good, but maybe an 1/8" shorter case length would have offered up even more advantages for use in the AR mag?


Agree, they could have made it more versatile.


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IMO any 22 cal that will fit in an AR is too close to the 5.56, 200fps doesn't mean much in the real world. A good 6mm in an AR could take varmints, yotes, deer and shoot long range and there aren't any SAAMI 6mms in an AR.
We have 6.5s and 6.8s, the 25 and 7mm would be too close. People seem to love the 30 cal, even the anemic 300AAC. A 30 cal based on that Nosler case or the 6.8 that is short enough to use 125-130gr bullets would be a great medium game cartridge. The 30 Herrett or 30 Gremlin or a 6mm would have been better than a 22 Nosler.


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6mm better than the nosler, maybe thats why I've had a 6/6.8 since about 2003 IIRC.....


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I went with the 243 LBC, or 6mm Grendel; powder capacity is good and the shorter case works better with the 95-105gr VLD style bullets. If Nosler had used that case for their 22, it could have worked with the 75gr A-max or even 80gr bullets.

Terminal, there are several variations on the 30 Herrett in an AR already; it's a good round that performs well. The one I'm using with the 125gr Ballistic Tip delivers almost identical trajectory to 75gr 5.56, but with more power.

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