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Not totally sure how I feel about this, overall I think I'm in favor of it. The ATF has really too much become the anti-2A agency to many in the ranks, even the "honored" Agent Dodson who was whistleblower for Fast & Furious testified to Congress on the desperate need for federal gun owner databases so that federal agents could stop by for a "talk" with people who were buying more guns than the agents thought appropriate.

At this point I think armed federal agents should be restricted pretty much to only the FBI, US Marshals, Secret Service and the Border Patrol. Goodness knows the FBI doesn't have clean hands, but a lot of what they get away with is because they can point the finger at ATF for starting the problem. Let the FBI investigate crimes, let Treasury or somebody handle FFL paperwork and inspections.

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WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner reintroduced the ATF Elimination Act, legislation that would dissolve the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and merge its exclusive duties into existing federal agencies.

Additionally, the Act calls for an immediate hiring freeze at the agency and requires the Department of Justice (DOJ) to eliminate and reduce duplicative functions and waste, as well as report to Congress with a detailed plan on how the transition will take place. Further, it would transfer enforcement of firearms, explosives and arson laws to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and illegal diversion of alcohol and tobacco products would be transferred to the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA).

Under this bill, the DEA and FBI would be required to submit to Congress a plan for winding down the affairs of the ATF after no more than 180 days, and field offices, along with other buildings and assets of the ATF, would be transferred to the FBI. It would have one year to report excess property to the General Services Administration (GSA).

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It and a whole lot of other alphabet agencies need to go away

There will be gnashing of teeth by liberals but you'd best be ready for that if you want to see freedom and our Constitution adhered to in a meaningful way.

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A consolidation of power, could be one interpretation.


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A consolidation of power, could be one interpretation.

That's the argument I've heard against it. "Better the devil you know" and "ATF is smaller and easier to keep an eye on".

But ATF also has only one real purpose, and that's guns. Both ATF and the FBI are under the DOJ, so keeping them separate just ensures there is an entire hierarchy of career Feds who are concentrating solely on guns and don't care about scandals because there is no downside to scandals in the ATF. Moving it to the FBI means that it becomes a small part of what the FBI does and to a large degree can be decentralized rather than having an entire agency trying to figure out how to ban ball ammo that's been in use for decades or deciding that a shoestring is a machinegun.


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Trump says he'll cut government by 20%. If consolidation gets that done, I say full speed ahead. 20% reduction in funding and personnel neuters em.


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I approve wholeheartedly. Get rid of the DEA while they're at it.

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Id like the representation to be more direct and limited by how they conduct themselves, else face a job change..

Filling numerous bureacracies to do what Congress has defaulted on wasnt Constitutional to begin with; it simply made government intrusion grow and illegal enterprise grow with it.

What was local cancer merely has been disbursed with money laundered and stolen from the very people it was supposed to protect. The fuggin mafia aint got [bleep] on the Fed.....

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Originally Posted by Calhoun
...even the "honored" Agent Dodson who was whistleblower for Fast & Furious testified to Congress on the desperate need for federal gun owner databases so that federal agents could stop by for a "talk" with people who were buying more guns than the agents thought appropriate.

I hope the ATF is completely done away with, along with *any* agents who have this attitude. I don't give a rip what those dickheads think is "appropriate". There's no law that says a citizen can 'only' own so many guns. And even if there were...stupid laws deserve to be broken.


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Most gun laws are unconstitutional. Get rid of the unconstitutional laws and there's no need for the ATF.

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I'd support disbanding the ATF



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Do away with the whole illegal 1968 GCA and the ATF becomes unneeded. No need for consolidation of something with no purpose anyway.

Get rid of Homeland Security too. Pull out of the United Nations. Both are akin to shooting your own dick.

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Anytime we can have less, smaller, Government it should be embraced by everyone.

And, the remaining Government, should be privatized as much as possible.


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Make em border patrol agents. That way they can find the F/F guns they let go south.

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More border agents, stop those foreigners from taking jobs

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How many months has the ATF been without leadership?


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Originally Posted by Calhoun
desperate need for federal gun owner databases so that federal agents could stop by for a "talk" with people who were buying more guns than the agents thought appropriate.


How the hell does the ATF get to decide how many guns are appropriate for someone to have?

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It was introduced about 2 years ago.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/1329

Hope it gets some serious consideration and perhaps some updated support this time.


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I'd say the odds are 99.9-1 against..


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Since ATF agents are so good at staking paperwork....they can use that skill staking bricks and build the wall on are southern border......

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