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I think that, for once, I am going to let the product line mature before going all in. Normally, since its coming from Sig, I would agree. That being said, the P320 is pretty much well vetted at this point with not even as a much as a "known issue" to be had which is typical of Sig's new releases. You underestimate the resolve of the American GI...they could break a crowbar in a sandbox! I guarantee you, US military service will expose some flaws.
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I haven't read the official designation yet, or have they decided on one?
Beretta is the M9, Sig is the Mxx?
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I haven't read the official designation yet, or have they decided on one?
Beretta is the M9, Sig is the Mxx? Designated M17
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i am really really tempted to run up to my favorite supply house and pick one up, and some of those 21round mags.
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I haven't read the official designation yet, or have they decided on one?
Beretta is the M9, Sig is the Mxx? Designated M17 That will be confusing. There's already an M17. If they put in an order for a thousand M17 magazines, they may end up with a thousand Glock mags.
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I believe G17' & 19's are outside of normal military supply lines; I doubt there will be any confusion.
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I foresee many, many, many more Sig contracts in their future.
Dave Me too. Don't think I've met a LEO who was issued a SIG who didn't like it.
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Wow, It's a nice pistol, but how'd they beat out Glock? The serialized trigger group bit is IMHO true innovation. It beat out Glock because the Glock wasn't modular in the way the spec was written. Not true! You assume that Glock entered a current production gun, which is not the case. Unfortunately since they didn't win this contract we will likely never see the entry. Glock has no incentive to release it to the public. Mike
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Wow, It's a nice pistol, but how'd they beat out Glock? The serialized trigger group bit is IMHO true innovation. It beat out Glock because the Glock wasn't modular in the way the spec was written. Not true! You assume that Glock entered a current production gun, which is not the case. Unfortunately since they didn't win this contract we will likely never see the entry. Glock has no incentive to release it to the public. Mike A "current production gun" was part of the spec.
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I haven't read the official designation yet, or have they decided on one?
Beretta is the M9, Sig is the Mxx? Designated M17 That will be confusing. There's already an M17. If they put in an order for a thousand M17 magazines, they may end up with a thousand Glock mags. So you don't think they can tell the difference between a G and a M ?
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I haven't read the official designation yet, or have they decided on one?
Beretta is the M9, Sig is the Mxx? Designated M17 That will be confusing. There's already an M17. If they put in an order for a thousand M17 magazines, they may end up with a thousand Glock mags. So you don't think they can tell the difference between a G and a M ? Somewhere along the line, a Model 17 could be confused with an M17. No big deal to me, though. They can call it what they want.
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The actual version of the 320 selected. I suspected the Army would require a safety, and it looks like they did. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/MHS-320-v2-images.jpg) From Sig's press release... The MHS Program provides for the delivery of both full size and compact P320’s, over a period of ten (10) years. All pistols will be configurable to receive silencers and will also include both standard and extended capacity magazines. This looks like the MA Compliant version.
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I guess the 320 will be better than the beretta, cannot figure why the 320 would win over a glock. Sig did a better Lobbying job than Glock
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It wasn't lobbying. Understand any time one of these RFPs is awarded it immediately followed by a court case and formal protest. After the JAASP trials there's we're both and an independent congressional investigation.
SIG won because they had a pistol that was already developed that met the full criteria. if you read the RFP you can see that The only pistols that really met the full criteria where the submissions from Sig and Beretta. But the SIG was way ahead of Beretta in development. I think what Beretta came up with was thought through much better than the Sig design, but it was brand new. Literally the first pistols off of the production line went straight to the army.
Glocks are great pistols but they lacked the modularity that the Army had layed out in the RFP.
I personally think had the chosen anything other than Berettaor Sig then that would be evidence of foul play, Because they were the only two that actually met the specifications of the RFP
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