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Tell me how Savage 40/45s lock up etc? Can't lay my hands on my copy of Bolt Action Rifles. Is the lock up enough for 30-30? 30/06? Is the trigger at least as good as a Pre War 99?

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I don't want to hi-jack this thread, just ask another related question on 40/45s. are the stocks numbered to the receivers the same way 99's are? Incidentally,my m40 in .30-06 has a steady,smooth(but stiff) trigger.

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40/45s have rear locking bolts. Some say they are a little springy for the 06, but I think they are okay if you don't hot rod your loads. I haven't shot mine in 06 as much as I should, but it is a pleasant enough shooting rifle that comes up good with open sights. I'd recommend going with the Lyman or Redfield peeps that were made for these rifles. I don't recollect my Stock being numbered to the rifle but I'd have to unlace a leather kick pad to find out. Maybe someone else could help out with that one. Do you own one?

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I have 2 of them. 1 in 06 and 1 in.300 sav. both have matching #'s on the stock and butt plate but don't match the serial #. Fit and finish is good and they look original but that doesn't mean squat.

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I don't think these rifles get enough attention on this forum as they seem to get second place attention behind the 99 and 1920/20/26. Even when there are complaints about no new things to talk about. I'm happy talking about the 40/45 and have wondered how the accuracy of the .300 cartridge is in these bolt guns when compared to the 99.

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I've had my m40 ---.300 sav. over a year and have yet to shoot it. Time to get my butt in gear.

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All in all they are sufficiently strong (within reason), reliable, sufficiently accurate, and ergonomic (feel ok in the hands). But, I submit that they never gained traction, then and now, because they are quite the homely things. Like it or not, aesthetics definitely play a role in a gun's popularity. Model 40/45's fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.


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Are you saying that the 40/45's put the "UG" in "UGLY" ?

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I enjoy reading about all things Savage. I don't know how they would stand side by side with a 99. But, my buddy used to brag about his model 70 243, until I got my 99 R in 250. He can not out shoot me with it. 300jimmy has posted clover leaves with his 300's. If the 40/45's can shoot as well as a 300 R, I'd be more than happy, Joe.


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Originally Posted by gnoahhh
All in all they are sufficiently strong (within reason), reliable, sufficiently accurate, and ergonomic (feel ok in the hands). But, I submit that they never gained traction, then and now, because they are quite the homely things. Like it or not, aesthetics definitely play a role in a gun's popularity. Model 40/45's fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.


Considering that their production ran from 1928 thru 1942 and that most of that time fell within The Great Depression, I think that Savage is fortunate to have sold as many of them as they did.

Aesthetics aside, the 40/45 Super Sporters have a couple of advantages over the Model 1920 and the improved 20/26;

1. There were chambered for the 2 most popular cartridges of their time, the 30-30 and 30-06.
2. They sold for sell than the Model 99s and the 1920 and improved 20/26.

You've got to wonder if a long action 1920 in 30-06 and 270 would have been a successful competitor to the Winchester 54/70 and Remington 30. And, if it was able to hold its own in the bolt action CF market niche, would Savage continued to develop and upgrade it? After all, the Remington's entire 700 series of rifles has a tubular receiver and washer style recoil lug design that is not too dissimilar to the Savage 1920.

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Originally Posted by JoeMartin
I enjoy reading about all things Savage. I don't know how they would stand side by side with a 99. But, my buddy used to brag about his model 70 243, until I got my 99 R in 250. He can not out shoot me with it. 300jimmy has posted clover leaves with his 300's. If the 40/45's can shoot as well as a 300 R, I'd be more than happy, Joe.


Or, maybe you're just a better shooter than he is.

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You've got to wonder if a long action 1920 in 30-06 and 270 would have been a successful competitor to the Winchester 54/70 and Remington 30. And, if it was able to hold its own in the bolt action CF market niche, would Savage continued to develop and upgrade it? After all, the Remington's entire 700 series of rifles has a tubular receiver and washer style recoil lug design that is not too dissimilar to the Savage 1920.


Yes, IMO Savage dropped the ball when they discontinued the M1920 in favor of the 40/45. A little more development work (longer action in addition to the original short one, continued stock improvements, more barrel weight selections, etc.) and it would've given the Winchester 54 a serious run for its money. I like, and own, them both- 1920's and 54's, but I lean toward the 54.

The 40's that fell into my hands went away pretty quickly. The .300 M40 I inherited from my dad went to my BIL who has used it with great success as his "go-to" rifle for 27 years now. I will admit that it has good balance, and the sights line up like magic when I shoulder it, but compared to the aesthetics of the 1920 & 54 (which also line up like magic)....

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Nuthin' wrong with ugly with me. As a matter of fact I find the schanable tipped stocks not to bad looking at all. Sometimes being interested in a not too popular firearm has its advantages. That is, you can pick one up with out having to sell the proverbial "south 40."

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There is that! My old man got into collecting Savages 37 years ago, much to my (then) dismay. When asked why Savage, and not Winchester/Colt/Remington/S&W/etc. he said because Savages are cheap- nobody wants them yet, and so I can afford them. My how things come full circle if you wait long enough!


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Originally Posted by S99VG
Nuthin' wrong with ugly with me. As a matter of fact I find the schanable tipped stocks not to bad looking at all. Sometimes being interested in a not too popular firearm has its advantages. That is, you can pick one up with out having to sell the proverbial "south 40."


There are two different styles of Model 40/45 stocks, one with and one without the schabled forearm tip. The earlier 40/45s had rounded "English style" forearm tips and the magazine release was a metal tab on the bottom of the stock. The later 40/45s had the schnabled forearm tip and the magazine release was a button on the right side of the stock. I don't know what the serial number range was when those changes were made and my Savage catalogs are out at the storage unit, so I can't look for the year, or catalog number, when the changes were made.

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There is also a schnable tip Stock that used the early clip latch mechanism. I have one that is inletted for a 30-30, 250 or a 300. I've been thinking about opening it up for my early 06 Super Sporter with the English style forearm tip.


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There is also a schnable tip Stock that used the early clip latch mechanism. I have one that is inletted for a 30-30, 250 or a 300. I've been thinking about opening it up for my early 06 Super Sporter with the English style forearm tip.


By serial number, would it be more likely to be a transition gun or a gun made from the leftover parts at the end of production in 1942 or 1945ish?

It was a strong sellers' market from the end of WW2 through 1949/50.

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It's just a stock but the number stamped in the wood and butt plate is 15786, which puts it about 500 down from my Super Sporter with the English style forearm tip. I always figured it represented something in between the first and second models with the different clip latches. It is a much nicer looking stock than the first generation 40/45 stock.


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A 40/45 with an "English style" forearm and a serial number that high, over 16,000, seem likely to be among that group of early post-WW2 rifles produced in non-cataloged configuration from a mixed heritage of parts that were in warehouse when military production ended.

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That's interesting as my Super Sporter looks like an early model in just about every way. So Savage sold less than 16000 40/45s between 1928 and 1945? Isn't that about the same amount of production as the Model 20/26?


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