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Same atmosphere that creates meteorites, melts tips, under certain conditions. Friction between air and object's surface.
It's also the reason that Santa can't exist, scientifically, even if he had the power to travel fast enough to get around the world in one night.
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Was flyin' along one day nosing around in other folks bidness when one of them poked a couple holes in my chopper. One of the bullets took out the radio wire bundle in the nose, then punched a hole thru the right rudder pedal. Wound up spinning on the cockpit floor like an angry little bee. Picked it up when it settled down and it was just a little north of warm, but nothing I couldn't tolerate. Came from an AK, so the velocity wasn't great, and the range was short. They do warm up, but I don't know Hornady's claim to be valid or not. Barrel friction, aerodynamic friction...I dunno.
I am..........disturbed.
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I've found the green tips from Balistic Tips in the backstop. I found the same, but odd-shaped, in patty sausage. Seems it went thru the grinder and ended up there.
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Hornady would have been better off not explaining schit and just changing the tips.
Then the internet wouldn't have exploded with all the closet rocket scientists.
Dave Well Hornady does love to poke Nosler in the eye from time to time. Add to that Hornady can now start to charge close to VLD prices for the improved bullets. Getting poly tipped bullets to run at time of flights exceeding a full second is a good thing for LR competition as it adds options. Lil Fish seems infatuated by the ELDs and ELD-Xs even though he will never actually shoot anything beyond the reach of a good ol Nosler Ballistic Tip. Good for the industry. 
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This topic came up in a discussion elsewhere today. I'm curious about your thoughts. Hornady says they melt downrange. http://www.hornady.com/store/ELD-X My personal experience collection ballistic tips from the entrance side of wound channels and various target media disagrees with this to a degree. What say you? I doubt you could detect the level of deformation they claim occurs by looking at a bullet you just pumped into an ungulate. Dave In the initial discussion from whence this question arises, it descended into claims that the tip completely melts away leaving only the hollowpoint bullet.
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In this thread we find out who has shot poly tipped bullets at long range and who has not.  Yes the tips melt but it takes a G1 BC over .500 and a muzzle velocity over 3000fps and a time of flight over .8 seconds, give or take. Not really a factor for most hunters but the effect is real and been understood for years by those who tend to shoot a bit at extended distance. Thanks, John. I don't shoot within the parameters which you outline above. Which would explain the differences in experience. From the videos you've posted over the years, you're slinging lead significantly farther than even have the opportunity to do.
Selmer "Daddy, can you sometime maybe please go shoot a water buffalo so we can have that for supper? Please? And can I come along? Does it taste like deer?" - my 3-year old daughter
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It doesn't melt away it just becomes altered and that results in the projectile's BC changing as it gets further downrange.
Not an issue for most folks but their V and A Max lines are marketed toward precision so I have no issue with them changing things up.
I don't think the ELD's are much more expensive regardless. But I've yet to bulk order any so I could be wrong.
Dave
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It's also the reason that Santa can't exist
Eat schit and die. Clark
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Hornady would have been better off not explaining schit and just changing the tips.
Then the internet wouldn't have exploded with all the closet rocket scientists.
Dave Well Hornady does love to poke Nosler in the eye from time to time. Add to that Hornady can now start to charge close to VLD prices for the improved bullets. Getting poly tipped bullets to run at time of flights exceeding a full second is a good thing for LR competition as it adds options. Lil Fish seems infatuated by the ELDs and ELD-Xs even though he will never actually shoot anything beyond the reach of a good ol Nosler Ballistic Tip. Good for the industry. You're gay. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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High speed camera at target distance would settle this pretty quick. I think math already answered the question. Travis Math is hard. Video is ea...Squirrel!
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Hornady would have been better off not explaining schit and just changing the tips.
Then the internet wouldn't have exploded with all the closet rocket scientists.
Dave Well Hornady does love to poke Nosler in the eye from time to time. Add to that Hornady can now start to charge close to VLD prices for the improved bullets. Getting poly tipped bullets to run at time of flights exceeding a full second is a good thing for LR competition as it adds options. Lil Fish seems infatuated by the ELDs and ELD-Xs even though he will never actually shoot anything beyond the reach of a good ol Nosler Ballistic Tip. Good for the industry. I tried some 162 ELD-X in my 7mm-08, which has a 1 in 9" PacNor barrel. Meh, it likes ballistic tips a lot better. I have some .30 cal 200's, I guess we'll see if the RUM likes them.
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Hornady would have been better off not explaining schit and just changing the tips.
Then the internet wouldn't have exploded with all the closet rocket scientists.
Dave Well Hornady does love to poke Nosler in the eye from time to time. Add to that Hornady can now start to charge close to VLD prices for the improved bullets. Getting poly tipped bullets to run at time of flights exceeding a full second is a good thing for LR competition as it adds options. Lil Fish seems infatuated by the ELDs and ELD-Xs even though he will never actually shoot anything beyond the reach of a good ol Nosler Ballistic Tip. Good for the industry. You're gay. Dave LOL.
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In this thread we find out who has shot poly tipped bullets at long range and who has not. Yes the tips melt but it takes a G1 BC over .500 and a muzzle velocity over 3000fps and a time of flight over .8 seconds, give or take. Not really a factor for most hunters but the effect is real and been understood for years by those who tend to shoot a bit at extended distance. Thanks, John. I don't shoot within the parameters which you outline above. Which would explain the differences in experience. From the videos you've posted over the years, you're slinging lead significantly farther than even have the opportunity to do. Most all game shooting it's a moot point. The increased interest in PRS type shooting and LR game shooting has found that poly tips need a bit of toughing up when really stretching thing. Options are good and for most the standard poly tips work fine as far as flight characteristics. Now the fact poly tipped open a bit fast is a whole different discussion.
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Who's the press secretary?!? Josh or Jay?
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Hornady would have been better off not explaining schit and just changing the tips.
Then the internet wouldn't have exploded with all the closet rocket scientists.
Dave Well Hornady does love to poke Nosler in the eye from time to time. Add to that Hornady can now start to charge close to VLD prices for the improved bullets. Getting poly tipped bullets to run at time of flights exceeding a full second is a good thing for LR competition as it adds options. Lil Fish seems infatuated by the ELDs and ELD-Xs even though he will never actually shoot anything beyond the reach of a good ol Nosler Ballistic Tip. Good for the industry. I tried some 162 ELD-X in my 7mm-08, which has a 1 in 9" PacNor barrel. Meh, it likes ballistic tips a lot better. I have some .30 cal 200's, I guess we'll see if the RUM likes them. BTs have a much blunter tangent ogive which is more forgiving of throat geometry. 162 ELD_Xs won't have a problem in a 9 twist but won't tolerate an off center or overly blunt throat as well as the tangent ogive of the BT. If the BTs are working well then take yes for and answer and rock on. 
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Just looking at Graf and Son's web site, to place an order...
Hornady is changing all sorts of stuff... a 73 grain ELX instead of a 75 A Max... plus there is a big 'sale' on 80 grain A Maxes....and they are 'out of stock' on an 80 EL something...
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Melting depends on muzzle velocity.
The race cars may have to worry. Under 3300-3400 fps, not so much.
I remember when the 17 Remington came out. They claimed the lead would melt and remain molten in the metal jacket until impact. Even today, ya better choose wisely on bullet choice when loading for the .17R.. I've had a couple come apart in the air maybe 20 feet from the muzzle when I first started reloading for it.. The G-forces from spinning a bullet at 4,000 fps MUST be unreal...
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which bullet was coming unglued?
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which bullet was coming unglued?
Dave Honestly wish I could remember exactly - but I think they were Hornady HPs.. I found a box from '98 that I had loaded.. The rest are all V-Max and seem to be ok.. Thought it might have been some Sierras, but that's not the case..
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