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I've hunted elk and whitetail with Freedom Arms 475 Linebaugh, limiting my shot to 35 yards. This really isn't much of a limitation because I was hunting in extremely thick woods. I got no shots, and the Model 83 was sold. I have access to a T/C 454 Casull with 7.5-inch barrel, 2X scope, and "hunting" bipod. Since I consider this combination to really be a short rifle, I want to extend my limit to 135-165 yards.

Using hard cast 300-grain Saeco (#058, 454 SWC-GC) bullet that leaves the barrel at 1400-1550 ft/sec, how high is the confidence level that this bullet will penetrate "through-and-through" on elk - including one shoulder - at 135 yards? At 165 yards?


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I believe you have it covered for Elk if your shot placement is good


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how high is the confidence level that this bullet will penetrate "through-and-through" on elk - including one shoulder - at 135 yards? At 165 yards?


I have no doubt what so ever. Also have no doubt you could get at least 100 feet per second more velocity from that combo.


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how high is the confidence level that this bullet will penetrate "through-and-through" on elk - including one shoulder - at 135 yards? At 165 yards?


I have no doubt what so ever.


Based on what?



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how high is the confidence level that this bullet will penetrate "through-and-through" on elk - including one shoulder - at 135 yards? At 165 yards?


I have no doubt what so ever. Also have no doubt you could get at least 100 feet per second more velocity from that combo.
My general practice is to not handload until things squeak. Since I'm not attempting to assure bullet's expansion, I doubt the small velocity increase available would be necessary.


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how high is the confidence level that this bullet will penetrate "through-and-through" on elk - including one shoulder - at 135 yards? At 165 yards?


I have no doubt what so ever.


Based on what?


Real life experience.


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I used a 365gr beartooth from an 18" 45lc rifle to kill a whitetail deer, about your velocity. I hit it square on at 80 yds and it traveled the full length of the deer and lodged under the hide on the hind. A solid 30" trip through the same stuff you'll see. I'd have no fear. Don't expect gushing blood trails, but very dead elk.


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how high is the confidence level that this bullet will penetrate "through-and-through" on elk - including one shoulder - at 135 yards? At 165 yards?


I have no doubt what so ever.


Based on what?


Real life experience.


You've shot an elk at 150+ with one?

Do tell.



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smokepole,

.454's are abusive on both ends, but more so on the receiving end.


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Experience of only 1 smallish bull taken at 125 yards, short answer, it should pass through from side to side. As stated above, don't expect a massive blood trail.
The one I shot was with a 300 gr cnc bullet pushed by a load of H110.
Shot was a slight angle towards me. Bullet entered just on the front edge of the shoulder and exited behind the off shoulder.
The bull traveled about another 100 yards and laid down. I waited about 5 minutes until he expired.
I equated it to the 3 elk taken with a muzzleloader at similar ranges. One with a lead maxi-ball punched right through both shoulders of a cow at 75 yards.


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Using hard cast 300-grain Saeco (#058, 454 SWC-GC) bullet that leaves the barrel at 1400-1550 ft/sec, how high is the confidence level that this bullet will penetrate "through-and-through" on elk - including one shoulder - at 135 yards? At 165 yards?



Confidence on that would be really high. I plugged an elk with a .44 mag and 250 grain Keith Hard cast,two shots. Both went through. Killed a bunch of deer with that load too and only recovered one bullet, after it had gone length wise through the deer....almost 5 ft. of penetration.
Be aware however that damage from hard cast at those speeds is minimal compared to a regular high speed rifle.Small hole in and out, small wound channel, takes a little longer for hydraulics to give out. Aim for bone if you get the chance.


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The 454 Casull gives a 300 grn bullets about 1700 fps.

That's quite a bit slower than most 50 cal muzzel loaders shooting a 300 grn projectile.

Full penetration is not a given but using a hard cast over an expanding will improve penetration greatly.

I would use an expanding bullet myself


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My Freedom Arms .454 had a 10" barrel. It pushed a 325 grain hard cast to 1,806 feet per second average.


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I shot a bull twice at 200yds with a 350gr WLN @ 1600fps at muzzle.

Neither bullet exited.

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I shot a bull twice at 80yds in the shoulder with the same load and one bullet exited.


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Congrats JohnBurns....good kill.


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Originally Posted by tedthorn
The 454 Casull gives a 300 grn bullets about 1700 fps.

That's quite a bit slower than most 50 cal muzzel loaders shooting a 300 grn projectile.



Are you sure about that? I think real world velocity on a typical 80-100 grain 777 load under a 300 gn xtp (very typical load) would be right around that 1700, plus or minus a little.

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Originally Posted by Ringman
My Freedom Arms .454 had a 10" barrel. It pushed a 325 grain hard cast to 1,806 feet per second average.


OMG that extra 100 fps will make all the difference in the world......


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I shot through a horse carcass at multiple angles with a 44 mag using lyman 429-421 Hard cast bullets penetrate like crazy.


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