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One of my good friends uses only a 7Rem. He has hunted all over the world with it. He has taken some extremely big animals at long range. He has said that he feels he doesn't need anything else.
Kurt and Cole Ellis are both very good guides up here. They have used them for forty years. No problems.
I have shot two moose and seven caribou with them. There are no flies on the caliber.
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Bullet selection, SD and BC of .277 pills don't quite match .284s. That alone is enough to give the 7 the edge imo.
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Bullet selection, SD and BC of .277 pills don't quite match .284s. That alone is enough to give the 7 the edge imo. Really ? Have you actually compared the SD and BC between the 270 & 284>> in the Same weights. ?? Yes, there are more bullet weights available in 284 than 277....... how many hunters use 5 or 6 different bullet weights in the same cartridge? Don't misunderstand -- I like and USE both. Jerry
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I like my 7 mag, I refrained from buying one for years. I got a great one in a trade a few years back! It's become my go to rifle for deer, elk, and most everything! I still like my 06, 300, 308 and others! My 7 mag is a stainless Ruger with timney trigger, and shoots excellent! Still haven't got bit by the 270 bug probably never will!
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If Laupa would just make a .277 Scenar.....
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Yeah maybe they could magically get a .8 BC out of a 270.
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I think it's a near perfect NA big game cartridge. Factory ammo is available in rural area hardware stores, and handloaded can shoot with the best of them short and long range.
However I sold mine, and now run a 270winchester. It took me years but I did finally accept that I don't like recoil. Not that there is a huge difference between the two, but there is enough to make me prefer the 270.
True the 7mm super bullets have a BC advantage over the 270. But the difference is small unless you are getting way out there. The BC of the berger and Hornady .277's are above .5 and that's not horrid at 600 yards.
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You 145 ELD-X yet?
Better yet... why don't you post your best actual .270 load... not theory... a load you actually shoot...
and we'll compare it to Starsky's actual 7mm Rem Mag load...
Then you can bust into Excel and Paper "Stat" Brigade your heart out... and explain to us all how they're the "same"...
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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Are you Starsky's bitch too or just mine? How about your 180 ELD-M? That was a question you cock sucking queer. Is it a mystery to you that a 145 can be loaded to 3k? No, and I never said I had. But, I do my homework. You should try it sometime, instead wandering around ignorant.
But I would like to see your 180 load that you're pushing to 3K.
Are you just an ass kisser, cock sucker, or both?
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Laffin.... that's what I thought...
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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180s are en route and 2900fps will be a breeze out of my 24" barrel.
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That's it you guy's talked me into a 7mm Rem Mag with a 8.2 twist..........should be here in a couple weeks!
Excited to see what the 180 grainers can do way out there!
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First of all the 280 isn't powerful enough so the 280AI. It is almost as powerful as the 7mm RM so the 280 AI is perfect. But the 7mm RM isn't powerful enough thus the 7mm STW, the 28 Nosler and the different other more powerful and the wildcats that are more powerful are much more desirable. Further the 7mm RM kicks too much so go to a 270 instead. Further the long action is a poor choice so what is the perfect cartridges are the 7mm -08 and the 7x57 and oh yeh, the 284.
Therefore the 7mm RM is a totally worthless cartridge there's so many other cartridges that are so much better in every way. That's why I own three of those worthless 7mm RM's.
I prefer classic.
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I never thought the 7 mag to be a hard kicker.
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Well, according to the Gospel of Speer Reloading Manual 13, "If you own a good 280, there's little reason to trade it in for any of the 7mm Magnums."
page 237.
I bought my 280 a dozen years ago, and every time I think of a 7RM I go back and read that Speer manual...
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The 7mm mag for the majority who used it in the 70s and 80s was mostly magical hype and a smoking mirror though the large majority of the public never caught on to this fact. The problem was most hunters who used the cartridge used shelf ammo and chrono numbers proved most 7 mag ammo to be rather on the anemic side. In fact a number of 270 win factory ammo offerings were winning the day. Still reports of the magical magnum belted case continued to circulate throughout the land and the 7 mag did indeed become very popular.
In the hands of the handloader only then can the 7mm mag recognize its full potential. At full potential however the 7 mag is at its best beyond 500 yds where 95% of hunters will never use the cartridge.
In the hands of an experienced long range hunter the 7 mag is one of the greats.
In the hands of 95% of hunters however it is one of the most overrated cartridges to ever hit the market
Back then being a handloader restrained by Saami confines I opted for the 300 win mag that I considered to be a true performer.
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What the heck is a smoking mirror?
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Most high speed belted magnums are at their best beyond 500yd.
I wonder how many .300wins and .300wbys have been purchased by people
who never shot them to 300yd, let alone 400 or 500yd or beyond.
I purchased a 300-wby for its sheer 'power'(as an impressionable youngster the marketing hype worked on me)
but certainly not for planning on 500+yd shots....200yd was my most ever.
On reflection, an 'anaemic' factory load 7mmMag would have more than sufficed.
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