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Most likely, they would simply drop it altogether. There's enough Win70s in the world already, to keep us all happy 'til we're dead and gone.
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now there's a sobering thought!
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The "open" trigger is the main drawing point of the Win70 platform that sets it apart clearly from others outside of the Mauser 98.
Once the "open" trigger design is gone, then the Win is not better/worse than a lot of other guns.
For me, I would look straight to the MkII/Hawkeye Rugers if I couldn't have the "open" trigger of the earlier Winnys. Montana Rifle Company current production trigger is below. Is this the open trigger design you mention? ![[Linked Image]](http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k55/jeffbird2/IMG_1160_zps695bfa8b.jpg)
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I have shot the M 70 since I got my first new one in 1957 and I still shoot it. I have a battery of the pre 64's including a 358 & 375.
The post 64 M70 did not impress me and now I trying customs, the Kimbers, and Brno 21s & 22.
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The "open" trigger is the main drawing point of the Win70 platform that sets it apart clearly from others outside of the Mauser 98.
Once the "open" trigger design is gone, then the Win is not better/worse than a lot of other guns.
For me, I would look straight to the MkII/Hawkeye Rugers if I couldn't have the "open" trigger of the earlier Winnys. Montana Rifle Company current production trigger is below. Is this the open trigger design you mention? I'll cut in - yes, this is the open trigger design discussed above. I'll also add that the Ruger M77 MkII may be the finest action out there yet: True Mauser feeding/extraction, extractor doesn't bisect the left locking lug, elegantly simple and foolproof safety that holds the striker back, open trigger design that can be worked down safely to a crisp let off below 3#, integral scope bases on receiver, steel trigger guard. Handles escaping gas from a case rupture very well. The masses never embraced this rifle, but history will shine on it I believe.
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I like the pre-64 especially the Westerners. The one I have all shoot really well.
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I wish I had held on to my Ruger MkII's. I'm sure some of the others here at the fire feel the same way about their Pre64 M70s! 
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The "open" trigger is the main drawing point of the Win70 platform that sets it apart clearly from others outside of the Mauser 98.
Once the "open" trigger design is gone, then the Win is not better/worse than a lot of other guns.
For me, I would look straight to the MkII/Hawkeye Rugers if I couldn't have the "open" trigger of the earlier Winnys. Montana Rifle Company current production trigger is below. Is this the open trigger design you mention? I'll cut in - yes, this is the open trigger design discussed above. I'll also add that the Ruger M77 MkII may be the finest action out there yet: True Mauser feeding/extraction, extractor doesn't bisect the left locking lug, elegantly simple and foolproof safety that holds the striker back, open trigger design that can be worked down safely to a crisp let off below 3#, integral scope bases on receiver, steel trigger guard. Handles escaping gas from a case rupture very well. The masses never embraced this rifle, but history will shine on it I believe. That's about how I see it as well. A hundred years from now, I think all the Ruger MKII/Hawkeyes will still be working just fine.
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I like the older ones myself.
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How can you tell when and where a M70 was made? I've thought a featherweight should be in my arsenal, but they have made it rather confusing and I've not taken the time to sort out what are the good vs. not as good years/locations.
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Ok, I'm assuming you can identify a pre64 FWT
If it's a push feed, it was made in the 80s
If it's CRF, and the serial number starts with "G", it was made in New Haven in the 90s or up to 2006
If it's serial number starts with 35, followed by 3 letters, it's a FN made rifle
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The "open" trigger is the main drawing point of the Win70 platform that sets it apart clearly from others outside of the Mauser 98.
Once the "open" trigger design is gone, then the Win is not better/worse than a lot of other guns.
For me, I would look straight to the MkII/Hawkeye Rugers if I couldn't have the "open" trigger of the earlier Winnys. Montana Rifle Company current production trigger is below. Is this the open trigger design you mention? I'll cut in - yes, this is the open trigger design discussed above. I'll also add that the Ruger M77 MkII may be the finest action out there yet: True Mauser feeding/extraction, extractor doesn't bisect the left locking lug, elegantly simple and foolproof safety that holds the striker back, open trigger design that can be worked down safely to a crisp let off below 3#, integral scope bases on receiver, steel trigger guard. Handles escaping gas from a case rupture very well. The masses never embraced this rifle, but history will shine on it I believe. I agree with this 100%. I couldn't ask a better bolt/trigger/safety set-up than my Ruger MKII rifles. These and my Sako Finnbear from the early 60's, now, that's the cat's ass right there.
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I have a BACO M-70 Featherweight 308 made in 2008 that was very accurate right out of the box. I installed an Ernie's spring and now the trigger pull is 2 3/4#. Wood is not spectacular but fit and finish is good. Action is smooth and it feeds rounds without a hitch. Last NH M-70 I had was purchased in 1992. It was a POS. Soured me on Winchesters for a long time. I was happy when NH went Tango Uniform and they started making them in SC. I don't mind the MOA trigger at all. I'm tempted to buy an Extreme Weather even if they are assembled in Portugal. What is this Ernie's spring you speak of?
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"What is this Ernie's spring you speak of?"
Google is your friend.
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Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.
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That link is stale when I click it.
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"What is this Ernie's spring you speak of?"
Google is your friend.
or I can ask someone here who actually uses one.
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Well,if that link to Ernie the Gunsmith worked you'd see where to buy the spring I mentioned. I hope he isn't out of business. Basically, he sells lighter than factory springs. I put one in my M-70 and got down to 2 3/4#. That's about as light as I want on a hunting rifle. I think it would go lower but I quit at that weight.
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Post 64 NH Classics are the best of the best as to M70's in general... except maybe for the pre-war's thru 53' or shortly after.
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