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My .300 WM is an Ed Brown Damara with Zeiss Victory 2-10.
It's the nicest, sweetest shooting, easy to carry .300 I've ever handled. I liked my Pre-64 .300 WM, but not enough to get another one.
Thanks for the heads up.
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DF, I should have read the whole thread more carefully, I scanned and thought you were in market.my bad , What struck me was the 1500, that is what I put on mine.. v best winpoor
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What do you guys think of my guestimate of the value as a $1,500 shooter?
Or said another way, knowing what we now know, what's the right price?
DF Someone thought it was worth $2,900.00. It is what it is... 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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What do you guys think of my guestimate of the value as a $1,500 shooter?
Or said another way, knowing what we now know, what's the right price?
DF Someone thought it was worth $2,900.00. It is what it is... Buyer beware. Think he's under water on that one. DF
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If I had the funds I'd be all over the one Whitebird (IIRC?) had for sale here.
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Cattledog: The fact that this obviously bogus Rifle got 40 (fourty!) "alleged" bids on it just re-enforces my policy of NEVER buying a collector gun "on-line"!
I'll repeat that - never!
I have been invited MANY times to take part in bidding schemes and run-up bidding schemes for on-line sales - thus part of my reasoning for averting myself from chasing "collector guns" on-line.
I would say this Rifle being legitimately sold (erroneously bought!) for $2,900.00 is right at or just under 1%!
Something nefarious is/was about in this listing and alleged sale.
Pardon my late reply to your legitimate inquiry as I have been predator Hunting and ice fishing the last few days.
The audacity of some people never ceases to amaze me.
Good luck in your future collecting but use EXTREME caution and have an iron clad agreement for "returns" should you be tempted to buy a collector gun "on-line".
Hold into the wind
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You thinking more monkey business than money changing hands?
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What do you guys think of my guestimate of the value as a $1,500 shooter?
Or said another way, knowing what we now know, what's the right price?
DF Someone thought it was worth $2,900.00. It is what it is... Buyer beware. Think he's under water on that one. DF Yep...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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If I had the funds I'd be all over the one Whitebird (IIRC?) had for sale here. Oh hell yes. That was one nice collector rifle and at a great deal from one of the good guys here...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Thank you to all who replied, your wisdom and insight was greatly appreciated.
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In the Winchester world, the more rare the caliber, the better chance it has been faked. The higher the value, the better chance it has been a really well done fake, IMHO.
Good advice from a good group of guys here and a wise decision to take the time to ask here before committing.
Bob
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Once I think about it, I think I have only handled one pre 64 M70 in 300 WIN over the years.
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The gun is now sold, but this GB seller has sold some bogus rifles in the past. The seller claims she is selling rifles on behalf of an old man who is divesting himself of a large collection. When I pointed out a misleading error in a past Super Grade listing (see below), the seller said she had checked with the old man and was sticking with his description.
The SG listing was a .220 Swift which was presented as an original rifle. The metal was beautiful, with a pristine receiver. The SG stock was inletted for a side-scope mount, but later repaired. You could barely see the repair in the stock but it was clear that this stock was not original to a rifle with an undrilled receiver. This was almost certainly a case of a person putting a stray SG stock on a standard .220 Swift Sporter action and selling it off as a rare SG. This is one of the most common ways to "fake" a valuable rifle. A $400 stock and a $1000 action has suddenly become a $2500 "rare" rifle. I pointed out the problem with the rifle, but she said she had to take the old man's word that it was original, as-is.
At that time (maybe 6 months ago), several other people commented on the seller here. The feedback was mixed, with some saying they had bought great rifles through her and others saying they received clearly "restored" rifles, which were advertised as original. Hard to know, but I put this seller on my list of ones to avoid.
As with everything on GB, it is always buyer beware. And as VarmintGuy says, think long and hard before buying a valuable collector rifle online, where you can't see and handle it in person. In the model 70 world, there are a great many rifles which are not what they are presented to be.
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I have stayed away from the SG just because they are so easy to fake. You pay a lot more compared to what you get. That being said and never say never I did buy two from a gentleman locally. I got a good buy IMHO and have added a 220 Swift and another 300 H&H to the mix. The 300 is a tack driver, I haven't scoped or shot the Swift yet.
It is unfortunate that there are no records for the M70 and that the forgery market is so rampant. I was at a gun shop the "specializes" in Winchester's and there were at least 5 7MM carbine barrels on the bench, all brand new all looked 100% original.
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FWIW I purchased two items from above mentioned seller almost 4 years ago, before the last year where she has been "liquidating this gentleman's collection. Both rifles appeared to be original unaltered. But on the second purchased, I exchanged an e-mail and a phone conversation with her directly. She played that whole I don't really know anything, but I will make right if you find its been refinished any. You guessed it, lesson learned, some fine "restorations" and no more answering of the phone....
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Greetings, I'm a bit late to the game, seeking input from you Winchester gurus on this 300 Win selling on GB. The pad appears replaced, S# dates receiver to latter '62, not '63, but maybe not too uncommon. Any thoughts or insight greatly appreciated. Thank you http://www.gunbroker.com/item/618284276 Nice rifle. The pad is probably replacement from American company CSMC aka Galazan.
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The gun is now sold, but this GB seller has sold some bogus rifles in the past. The seller claims she is selling rifles on behalf of an old man who is divesting himself of a large collection. When I pointed out a misleading error in a past Super Grade listing (see below), the seller said she had checked with the old man and was sticking with his description.
The SG listing was a .220 Swift which was presented as an original rifle. The metal was beautiful, with a pristine receiver. The SG stock was inletted for a side-scope mount, but later repaired. You could barely see the repair in the stock but it was clear that this stock was not original to a rifle with an undrilled receiver. This was almost certainly a case of a person putting a stray SG stock on a standard .220 Swift Sporter action and selling it off as a rare SG. This is one of the most common ways to "fake" a valuable rifle. A $400 stock and a $1000 action has suddenly become a $2500 "rare" rifle. I pointed out the problem with the rifle, but she said she had to take the old man's word that it was original, as-is.
At that time (maybe 6 months ago), several other people commented on the seller here. The feedback was mixed, with some saying they had bought great rifles through her and others saying they received clearly "restored" rifles, which were advertised as original. Hard to know, but I put this seller on my list of ones to avoid.
As with everything on GB, it is always buyer beware. And as VarmintGuy says, think long and hard before buying a valuable collector rifle online, where you can't see and handle it in person. In the model 70 world, there are a great many rifles which are not what they are presented to be.
Justin
Excellent post. Sounds like the seller is running a big scam and if there was a way you could turn her in I'd do it... The buyer of this rifle obviously was not educated in model 70's and got scammed big time...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Greetings, I'm a bit late to the game, seeking input from you Winchester gurus on this 300 Win selling on GB. The pad appears replaced, S# dates receiver to latter '62, not '63, but maybe not too uncommon. Any thoughts or insight greatly appreciated. Thank you http://www.gunbroker.com/item/618284276 Nice rifle. The pad is probably replacement from American company CSMC aka Galazan. It's a pachmayr recoil pad. Plainly stated in the listing and shown in pic 34 of 34.. At least she was honest about that.. 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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