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I can guarantee if the dam fails, whatever money was saved by building it almost good enough, and maintaining it almost good enough will be several orders of magnitude shy of the cost of the devastation.
Probably sufficient to bankrupt the already teetering California government mismanagement. The dam isn't gonna fail and neither is the spillway...bank on it. If Trump really wanted to drain the swamp he should direct the U.S. DOJ to seek copies of the hard drives of everybody connected to this debacle....from the DWR honchos to the Governor...I sure wish I owned the quarry they're getting their rock from....I wonder if the DOT is giving waivers for the guys running the rock trucks...
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I can guarantee if the dam fails, whatever money was saved by building it almost good enough, and maintaining it almost good enough will be several orders of magnitude shy of the cost of the devastation.
Probably sufficient to bankrupt the already teetering California government mismanagement. Aw, c'mon, if we hold hands and chant loud enough, more capital will just float in on gossamer wings, and once again all will be right in la-la land. ......I HATE that the folks out there are having to go through this. ...the "Make Lemonade" side of my nature sees this as a TEST CASE to use as this whole new approach gains ground. GTC
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So - this info they're putting out about 30' to the bedrock meaning only a 30' wall of water would imply that the concrete emergency "spillway" - which is, in fact, at least on the south end, actually a section of dam itself (because of the natural slope in that direction)...is embedded directly upon bedrock. I guess. Or not....
Fester has reasons to be worried. Someone is downplaying this for sure. The 30' wall of water would be if the dam was filled to top and the 30' cap of the emergency spillway failed.
What isn't being addressed is the failure of the main spillway, a failure that is well below the top of the dam and if that failure led to the dam failing at that level... Could you clarify that for me, I'm not quite following. Thanks
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I can guarantee if the dam fails, whatever money was saved by building it almost good enough, and maintaining it almost good enough will be several orders of magnitude shy of the cost of the devastation.
Probably sufficient to bankrupt the already teetering California government mismanagement. The dam isn't gonna fail and neither is the spillway...bank on it. If Trump really wanted to drain the swamp he should direct the U.S. DOJ to seek copies of the hard drives of everybody connected to this debacle....from the DWR honchos to the Governor...I sure wish I owned the quarry they're getting their rock from....I wonder if the DOT is giving waivers for the guys running the rock trucks... So the officials caused this crisis so they could sell rocks from the quarry and make money? Got it 
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....it was the suggestion that somehow the river level below the dam was high enough to force water and debris back up into the turbines and back uphill into the lake....it's IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen... MM- I can tell you that the water of a high tide here in Cook Inlet will back up the Kenai River 12 MILES.The amount of H2O coming over/through that damn dam absolutely WILL back up the river water above it's outlet.
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So - this info they're putting out about 30' to the bedrock meaning only a 30' wall of water would imply that the concrete emergency "spillway" - which is, in fact, at least on the south end, actually a section of dam itself (because of the natural slope in that direction)...is embedded directly upon bedrock. I guess. Or not....
Fester has reasons to be worried. Someone is downplaying this for sure. The 30' wall of water would be if the dam was filled to top and the 30' cap of the emergency spillway failed.
What isn't being addressed is the failure of the main spillway, a failure that is well below the top of the dam and if that failure led to the dam failing at that level... Could you clarify that for me, I'm not quite following. Thanks Imagine this hole ![[Linked Image]](https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/oroville-dam-spillway.jpg) Being exposed to this ![[Linked Image]](http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/02/Oroville-Dam-side-view-Associated-Press-640x480.jpg) To the point that the hole works it's way back to the point that the dam at that point can't hold the water back behind it.
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Best picture I've seen of the emergency spillway ![[Linked Image]](http://forums.accuratereloading.com/evefiles/photo_albums/3/4/4/344100033/4711004922_A02B6D35227EEC216C697728E70D5B3A.jpg) Looking at the picture lower right edge of the spillway, looks like they frightfully close to failure.
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MM-
I can tell you that the water of a high tide here in Cook Inlet will back up the Kenai River 12 MILES.
The amount of H2O coming over/through that damn dam absolutely WILL back up the river water above it's outlet.
I understand that....high tide can raise or lower the Sacramento River a couple of feet in the summertime, and Sacramento's about 75 miles from the bay, but there's no way in hell the water coming out of the discharge at the bottom of a 900 ft. dam is gonna get pushed back up the tubes by the river below it...even if the river was a foot below the lake level... it's simple physics...it's impossible.
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Best picture I've seen of the emergency spillway It is so....THANKS ! The wide angle lenses those photography drones are packing don't make it easy to read the actual terrain though. Any body have a current weather forecast for the area ? GTC
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....it was the suggestion that somehow the river level below the dam was high enough to force water and debris back up into the turbines and back uphill into the lake....it's IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen... MM- I can tell you that the water of a high tide here in Cook Inlet will back up the Kenai River 12 MILES.The amount of H2O coming over/through that damn dam absolutely WILL back up the river water above it's outlet. We're wasting our breath trying to talk to this guy. GTC
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As long as he continues to ignore multiple engineers with experience and the simple physics of energy lost due to spinning those blades...
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Current forecast is for three storms in a row.
Light rain
"Light rain
Heavy rain
The dame should be 60 feed down when #3 hits
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Also
The spillway erosion is decreasing
Water is clear and the red-brown mud flow is grey green.
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As long as he continues to ignore multiple engineers with experience and the simple physics of energy lost due to spinning those blades... I have to siphon off our fire fighting pond after good storms, with 2" PVC pipe...it empties into a small wash about a hundred feet downhill....even if the water was spinning blades at the bottom, there is no way the pressure inside that 2" PVC is going to let ANYTHING casually wash back up the pipe....
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Imagine this hole Being exposed to this Anyone else wonder where the huge boulders in the second phot came from? Dug up and shoved downhill by the torrent?
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That huge boulder at the base of the spillway may very well be the bedrock sluffing off as was pointed out in Greg's earlier post regarding the geology of the bedrock?
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