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"The 7x57 is more incredible!!" but not as incredible as a 6.8x57, aka the .270 Ingwe...  Absolutely! This needs to be the next SAAMI cartridge, chambered in a push feed M70 XTR.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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"The 7x57 is more incredible!!" but not as incredible as a 6.8x57, aka the .270 Ingwe... Absolutely! This needs to be the next SAAMI cartridge, chambered in a push feed M70 XTR. hmmmm....
"...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."
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I don't think that Arthur Savage was involved with Savage Arms by the time the 300 Savage was introduced in late 1920.
They bought Stevens in 1920, but Arthur Savage still very much ran Savage. According to the guys in the Savage forum, Arthur Savage was forced out of Savage Arms in 1905, before Charles Newton designed either the 22HP or the 250-3000.
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I'll make the Grizzly Bear argument people who will never see one always make. 7 x 57 can't throw a 220 grain bullet at a hypothetical Grizzly Bear in a hypothetical dangerous situation during a hypothetical backpacking trip on Kodiak Island.
True, but WD Bell took 1100 African elephant with a 7X57 and 175 gr bullets. Actually, Bell killed about 800 elephants with the 7X57, or what was referred to as the 275 Rigby. The rest were killed with a 6.5X54 Mannlicher, a 303 British, and a 318 Wesley Richards. He also in one of his books mentioned shooting an 8X57 Mauser. Bell began using the 7X57 because of the reliability of the ammunition, and most likely kept using it because of that reason. What most folks fail to realize about Bell, was that he studied the anatomy of elephants, and was such a good shot, he could place his bullets precisely in the right spot.
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Edit: I'll make the Grizzly Bear argument people who will never see one always make. 7 x 57 can't throw a 220 grain bullet at a hypothetical Grizzly Bear in a hypothetical dangerous situation during a hypothetical backpacking trip on Kodiak Island. When grizzly bear start inhabiting our Florida palmetto thickets, I'll buy a .30-06 and load some 220-gr RNs. Til then... RM
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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The pythons'll keep 'em at bay. 
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."
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The pythons'll keep 'em at bay. Unfortunately, there's some truth to that!!
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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Edit: I'll make the Grizzly Bear argument people who will never see one always make. 7 x 57 can't throw a 220 grain bullet at a hypothetical Grizzly Bear in a hypothetical dangerous situation during a hypothetical backpacking trip on Kodiak Island. When grizzly bear start inhabiting our Florida palmetto thickets, I'll buy a .30-06 and load some 220-gr RNs. Til then... RM You have to ask yourself WWJCD? ( What Would Jim Corbett Do?) Days right..he'd use the .275..
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or his Jeffrey .450/400
"...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."
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What fresh Hell is this?
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"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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The 7x57 is more incredible than the 270.
It is less incredible than the 30-06.
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According to the guys in the Savage forum, Arthur Savage was forced out of Savage Arms in 1905, before Charles Newton designed either the 22HP or the 250-3000.
Yes I read that too. Thanks for educating me a bit. According to the company, Arthur struck a deal in 1919 to use an Indian Chief's profile as their logo, which I've read in his bio more than once. Yet, according to that thread he either left or was forced out in 1904 or 1905. That isn't compatible. Maybe the Advertising Dept's poetic license. I need to read a new version of his life!!
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The 7 is a designer cartridge. The 8/98 is the real deal!
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Designed to be perfect!!!!!!!!
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"It's not how hard you hit 'em, it's where you hit 'em." The 30-06 will, with the right bullet, successfully take any game animal in North America up to 300yds.
If you are a hunter, and farther than that, get closer!
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Attention DJS and other 7x57 fans.
I was in Payson, Arizona this past Monday after leaving the Tonto Basin get-together, and dropped in at Rim Country Guns, 513 S. Beeline Hwy, Payson, AZ 85541 (phone: 928-474-8000).
In the enclosed revolving case where they display their better pre-64 M-70s for sale I spotted a M-70 FWT XTR (pushfeed) in 7x57, in excellent condition. It is identical to the one I own, except a bit nicer.
I honestly didn't ask to see it, for fear that I would buy it. I don't need it and it isn't in the budget right now. Only later did I think to report the find on the 'fire in case one of you fellows is interested. The asking price on the tag was $899, which I believe is negotiable. It is not a consignment. I apologize that now I can't remember if it was scoped or not. I was involved in a conversation at the time and moved on to other things I was interested in.
Also, they had some H-4350 on the shelf, that I haven't seen in a long time. I took their only one-pound jug, but they still have an 8-lb jug on the top shelf priced at $229, if somebody wants it bad enough.
I hope that 7x57 XTR goes to a good home.
Last edited by nifty-two-fifty; 02/18/17.
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Ive been watching for one near home, but they're always in 30-06 or 270. Too boring.
Still kicking myself for not getting a 6.5x57 Featherweight when Winchester went belly up last decade.
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Keep it up ya'll...and here all this time I've been thinking of a very old friend LGS who pushed me into taking the USRAC XTR Fwt 7x57 w/fold over factory sights and the original front hood, when all I wanted was get out of a late run NH M70 Classic Fwt 300WSM I picked up trading after 2015's Deer Season and was never gonna shoot. I had only gone into the shop to give it to him for a consignment...so's I could spend so more money on another shiney toy. Oh Well what are friends for ...to look after their dumber friends I guess  Prolly oughta buy him & his lovely sweet wife a steak dinner or sumthin. Ron
TIME FOR TERM LIMITS !!!! Politicians are just like diapers, they need to be changed often and regularly for the same reason...Robin Williams.
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I read in the current edition of RLN that Mule Deer is planning to develop "...a singe, high-BC 7x57 load suitable for all-around big game hunting." Yeah...I'll believe that when I see it! 
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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Well I tried, tongue in cheek, but nobody is seriously downing the old 7. There's got to be a troll or toad who thinks the old 7 isn't the cat's meow.
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