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#11827993 - 02/15/17 22 Nosler
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Has anybody wrung this out in their AR yet?

Bueller?

Bueller?





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#11828602 - 02/15/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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A non-starter I guess.
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#11829267 - 02/15/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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Lots of talk over on predator masters AR section.
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#11829852 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: bbassi]
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Thanks.

Sounds underwhelming.
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#11829923 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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reinventing the wheel....
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#11830197 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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I got email from one of the place I buy from saying they now have the brass in stock, not really cheap since it is Nosler Brass. You also have to use the 6.8 SPC Magazine because of the fat rebated case
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#11830496 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: bea175]
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I know that but if one can get "close" to 22-250 speeds for a .22 in an AR, that's a big deal.

Also, if it doesn't produce then so be it; let it be known.
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#11830597 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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Sounds like the .22x6.8 is capable of driving a 50 grain bullet to 3650 to 3700 or so. The .22 Nosler is just a smidgon bigger, case capacity wise. Should be able to do the same.

A buddy and I are planning on buying a reamer and a set of gauges and sending them to the gunsmith.

A light varmint profile, 26 inch barrel would make a fine varmint rifle.

The gunsmith we use has a reamer to chamber the .22x6.8 in a version that does not need neck turned. He was excited that the .22 Nosler had factory brass available, with cheap dies.


An AR shooting 40 to 50 grain bullets at 3750 or higher seems like the ticket.

I guess I dont understand the problem.

So yeah, we are going to build a couple......soon as I gather all the Christmas money I have been saving.

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#11830837 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: Jim_Conrad]
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Jim, I am interested in getting the 22 Nosler Stoner upper for the my 223 AR but I find the discussion on PredatorMasters on velocity, and accuracy from those who've done this is somewhat disappointing. Could be the upper at this point is not as good as it could be.

With a 25% case capacity increase over the 223 I'd think it would be good for a 200+ fps advantage over the 223 case all other things being equal. What little I've read over there, they are not seeing that with Nos's factory ammo.

Handloading -- I know; sure -- but I'm tired of factory ammo under safe potential. If it is.

We'll see.
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#11830884 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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I have read some threads too. Some of the boys had figured that the factory brass was a bit soft, leading to problems with near max loads. Ejector marks and what not.

I wonder what the difference in surface area of the rim would be between the .22 Nosler and the .22x6.8?

Probably about a wash since one uses a small rifle primer.

What length gas system does the upper you are looking at have?

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#11831037 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: Jim_Conrad]
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Actually, I don't know. I was just looking at the 22 Nosler Stoner uppers on sale at Midway.

I am not an AR expert by any token but would expect that a 22 Nosler upper that mates with a 223 lower would have requisite accommodations for the gas-operated bolt carrier. No?
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#11831070 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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I looked at them on Midway, looks interesting. Yes, that upper will drop right on, no problems.

The one I looked at had a rifle length gas system, which I think is a good idea. I dont think that a carbine length system would be smart.

I plan on having a rifle put together with a 26 inch barrel for my .22 Nosler.

Probably a 12 or 14 twist. I reckon I am only going to shoot the light bullets.

One nice thing about that AR Stoner upper is that is the same price as the barrel blank that I have now!

Pretty reasonable way to try something new!

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#11831161 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: Jim_Conrad]
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What I thought assuming it's of reasonable quality and not just the quickest jump to the band wagon.
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#11831165 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: Jim_Conrad]
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Originally Posted By Jim_Conrad
I looked at them on Midway, looks interesting. Yes, that upper will drop right on, no problems.

The one I looked at had a rifle length gas system, which I think is a good idea. I dont think that a carbine length system would be smart.

I plan on having a rifle put together with a 26 inch barrel for my .22 Nosler.

Probably a 12 or 14 twist. I reckon I am only going to shoot the light bullets.

One nice thing about that AR Stoner upper is that is the same price as the barrel blank that I have now!

Pretty reasonable way to try something new!


If a whole new build though why not just go to the 22-250?
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#11831219 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: Jim_Conrad]
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I personally just don't want an AR with 26 inch barrel.
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#11831428 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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Originally Posted By George_De_Vries_3rd
Originally Posted By Jim_Conrad
I looked at them on Midway, looks interesting. Yes, that upper will drop right on, no problems.

The one I looked at had a rifle length gas system, which I think is a good idea. I dont think that a carbine length system would be smart.

I plan on having a rifle put together with a 26 inch barrel for my .22 Nosler.

Probably a 12 or 14 twist. I reckon I am only going to shoot the light bullets.

One nice thing about that AR Stoner upper is that is the same price as the barrel blank that I have now!

Pretty reasonable way to try something new!


If a whole new build though why not just go to the 22-250?


Doing the 22-250 "right" requires an AR-10 or an in house 15 build.

Very few willing to do the 22-250 on a 15 and none willing to do it for what one can get into a 22 Nosler. Midway isnt pimping 15 bolts, uppers or barrels for 15s in 22-250....

I still think the 22 Nosler will find a home in Sako Vixens, Interarms and the wee actions with a 1-8 barrel.

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#11831746 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: HawkI]
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My comment re the 22-250 was in the moment that I forgot he was building an AR.

I agree that the 22 Nosler should be a bang-up in small bolt actions like the CZ 527 or other mini-Mauser knock-offs.
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#11831843 - 02/16/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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Yeah, the little Howa Mini bolt or some such.

When I heard that CZ was putting out the 527 in 6.5 Grendel I got kind of excited.

It would have made a fine home for the .22x6.8.....now even easier for the .22 Nosler.

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#11832373 - 02/17/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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The 22x6.8 or specifically the 22 DTI, was a huge disappointment for my cousin. Contact Mike at Dedicated Technologies and ask him about the velocities you can get. He was spot on with his max load data and none of them were close to the 22-250. My cousin thought he was just being conservative but he wasn't.

I don't know how the 22 Nosler stacks up just offering this as food for thought.

I believe Olympic Arms built a lower that was a little bigger than a standard 15 and chambered the 22-250 for it. I never saw one nor heard much about them after the initial sales pitch but they are now going out of business.

Maybe the AR-15 is best in a lighter, handy gun in 223 after all...

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#11832382 - 02/17/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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22 Nosler. & 6.8 SPC require different magazines.

The bolts are different.

So it's a bit pricey to do the conversion and the price of brass sucks.

All for 200 FPS.

OR... you could buy a Tikka for 100 bucks more, or maybe even less and have a more accurate gun.

I use 6.8 for yotes - done
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#11832756 - 02/17/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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I personal don't thing this round will be a big seller. They should have necked this case up to 6mm and called it the 6mm Nosler
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#11834107 - 02/17/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: bea175]
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It's already selling very well.

I would guess, based on some experience, that Nosler just might offer a 6mm version. But not right now, since they're already trying to fill the demand for the .224 version.
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#11834658 - 02/17/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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Kind of interested what cartridge would do in SBRs. My agency now issues 11.5-in. Colts to most all officers.

An increase in MV would be a good thing; though I think it'd take awhile for the bean counters to give thumbs up.

We considered 6.8s awhile back but that never happened; shame.
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#11834769 - 02/17/17 Re: 22 Nosler [Re: George_De_Vries_3rd]
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My gunsmith friend shoots 50 grn bullets out of his 26 inch 22x6.8 at 3750.

No, that's not 22-250 velocity, but with all the "nearly", "on the heels", "efficient", "short action", and "virtually" the manufacturers have been using to sell us stuff the last 20 years, why not try it one more time?

Everyone has a different definition of "nearly" anyway.

The sales attributed to the marketing wank prove that.

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