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Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #10692710 11/10/15
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,493 TN L LouisB Campfire Tracker
LouisB Campfire Tracker L Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,493 TN	I have used his data/method from 222 to 338 Mag. Most guns liked it ok to great some did NOT. I calculated the ratio of volume for the 30-06 to 7.7X58 and then started working up a load in the 7.7. As it worked out the "exact" ration was most precise load in both calibers. Some spelling errors can be corrected by a vowel movement. ~ MOLON LABE ~

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Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #10694277 11/11/15
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 10,425 The Treasure State Dave_Skinner Campfire Outfitter
Dave_Skinner Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2003 Posts: 10,425 The Treasure State	Thanks, Seafire, I knew you'd come in out of the rain at some point. Your data pretty much affirms my experience as to where the sweet spot is with BD in the 223, the speed curve really tightens up in that 13,14 grain range. Up hills slow, Down hills fast Tonnage first and Safety last.

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11027648 03/08/16
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 10,365 Central, PA G gemby58 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP gemby58 Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 10,365 Central, PA	ttt

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11027965 03/08/16
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17_wizzer Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 1,009 Wild West	Tag for academic research

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11028220 03/08/16
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,722 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana
Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,722 Southern Oregon USA	feel free to rattle my cage on this stuff... a favorite topic of mine... and pretty much where I spend my off season time.. at the load bench developing and in the field testing on a zillion of Oregon's mini ground grizzlys.... sure is a lot of fun... Great way to keep your off season trigger finger and shooting eye in tune.. for a nominal cost and easy of the rifle barrel...

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Re: 223 reduce loads 17_wizzer #11028225 03/08/16
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Fireball2 Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2011 Posts: 56,270 Oregon	Pretty amazing stuff here. _______________________________________________________ An 8 dollar driveway boy living in a T-111 shack LOL

Re: 223 reduce loads Fireball2 #11028234 03/08/16
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,722 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana
Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,722 Southern Oregon USA	Originally Posted by Fireball2 Pretty amazing stuff here. I plagiarizer all of my load data from Schtick...but don't tell anyone... That is what makes it amazing and awesome... nothing more, nothing less...

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11028258 03/08/16
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,722 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana
Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,722 Southern Oregon USA	anyone interested in 243 reduced load data?

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11028268 03/08/16
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Owl Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 4,147 Arid-zona Grid: DM43ck	Bring it all with you on paper if you come to Quemado this summer. Jeff James Pepper: There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos. Right, Mr. Chisum? John Chisum: Wrong, Mr. Pepper. Because no matter where people go, sooner or later there's the law. And sooner or later they find God's already been there.

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11028461 03/08/16
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,722 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana
Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,722 Southern Oregon USA	Won't be there....

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Re: 223 reduce loads Seafire #11028740 03/08/16
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 10,365 Central, PA G gemby58 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP gemby58 Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 10,365 Central, PA	Originally Posted by Seafire anyone interested in 243 reduced load data? Yes give us some of your 243 load, been using the 223 loads you posted

Re: 223 reduce loads Seafire #11029709 03/09/16
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,074 Virginia barm Campfire Tracker
barm Campfire Tracker Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,074 Virginia	Originally Posted by Seafire anyone interested in 243 reduced load data? +2

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11030693 03/09/16
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 11 C carlgustav New Member
carlgustav New Member C Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 11	I used Blue Dot in 243 as well as 223 for quieter short range stuff. Never near these suggested levels though. It works well. Quiet. Effective. Also tried Red Dot in 223, thinking faster = cheaper = more efficient.False economy. You must be extremely cautious reloading shotgun powders in rifle cartridges. It is so easy to double charge a case and blow up your gun (if not your face.) Not at all obvious visually. I did it. Lost a beautiful little Sako - and all confidence in my ability to stay focused, even loading one at a time off a Lyman automatic dispenser. It froze up, flashed an error message and somehow I forgot to dump the shell before starting over. You can space out using regular rifle powders and note your mistake immediately. Reduced loads with shotgun/pistol powders imply additional inherent danger. It may be safe. But Idiot proof yourself first. Be extra careful! PS I now own a 22 mag instead.

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11030774 03/09/16
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OSU_Sig Campfire Ranger O Joined: May 2011 Posts: 15,866 Oklahoma	Wow. Glad to hear you weren't hurt. I appreciate you sharing with us what happened. There are 2 rules to success: 1. Never tell everything that you know.

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11030972 03/09/16
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J71248 Campfire Member J Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 171 Iowa	Thanks for all your data Seafire. Every new barrel I have broken in the last couple years was on Blue Dot data from you.In a month I'll be breaking in the most expensive barrel I have ever owned. It will be with your BD data. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/9500631/243_Bluedot_loads#Post9500631

Re: 223 reduce loads J71248 #11031079 03/09/16
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,722 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana
Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,722 Southern Oregon USA	Originally Posted by J71248 Thanks for all your data Seafire. Every new barrel I have broken in the last couple years was on Blue Dot data from you.In a month I'll be breaking in the most expensive barrel I have ever owned. It will be with your BD data. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/9500631/243_Bluedot_loads#Post9500631 you are more than welcome....

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11031971 03/10/16
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gnoahhh Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,071 Annapolis, Md.	When charging cases I zip through them all using a powder measure, checking every 5th or 10th charge on the scale. Then, before going one step further, I use a pen light and visually inspect the powder level in each case. Then I go back and do it again. If I'm using a particularly light charge I'll do it a third time. I'm not anal about much in this life but of this I am. During almost 50 years of handloading I've never had a wreck due to this procedure...knock on wood! "You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11033033 03/10/16
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OP gemby58 Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 10,365 Central, PA	With blue dot I dump a charge and seat that bullet so I don't double charge. I just picked up 12 cans (6 3\4 pounds) of Trail Boss so will be using that up on my reduced loads, that will give me close to 6000 rounds, should last me awhile

Re: 223 reduce loads Seafire #11033910 03/10/16
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NcWhitetail New Member N Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 13 Lincolnton, NC	Yes I'm interested in reduced .243 load data. Thanks so much. Don

Re: 223 reduce loads gemby58 #11038867 03/12/16
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 171 Iowa J J71248 Campfire Member
J71248 Campfire Member J Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 171 Iowa	There was a reason Herters sold red & white loading blocks.

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