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#11833255 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
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I've carried K, L and N frames on a duty belt. I'll take a K-frame every time. The M66 or M19 with the Remington .357 reduced velocity 125's @ 1,250 fps, the 145 gr. Winchester Silvertip or .38 Special 158 gr. LSWC-HP +P works just fine.
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#11833259 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: jimmyp]
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Originally Posted By jimmyp
Originally Posted By GunGeek
Looking back to the days when Revolvers were in the holsters of most law enforcement, what would you rate as the top 3?

My top 3
1 - S&W 25
2 - S&W 24
3 - Colt 357 (first model on Python frame)


because I want to get my post count up I am going to start a thread...Best Flintlock Pistols.


Harper's Ferry 1805
Scottish "Black Watch"
Napoleonic 1801
"Kentucky" frontier versions

Next?
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#11833322 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
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Didn't Bill Jordan have a big hand in the development of the Model 19? (pun intended)
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#11833434 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
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Yes, Bill Jordan worked with S&W to design and develop the S&W Model 19 which was initially named the '357 Combat Magnum'.

<><> http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/08/05/sw-model-19-the-police-officers-perfect-revolver/ <><>

I came across a beautiful blued S&W Model 19-3, 357 Mag, square butt, walnut grips, 4" barrel,
and apparently unfired - a couple years ago at a friendly pawn shop.
I'm keeping this Model 19-3 as-is and will let its next owner shoot it

I have a Dan Wesson Model 15-2, 357 Mag. revolver that I more than like to shoot.


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#11833461 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: Jim in Idaho]
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Originally Posted By Jim in Idaho
Didn't Bill Jordan have a big hand in the development of the Model 19? (pun intended)
Yep. The account of it is found in No Second Place Winner.
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#11833527 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: Jim in Idaho]
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Originally Posted By Jim in Idaho
Didn't Bill Jordan have a big hand in the development of the Model 19? (pun intended)
He made some recommendations. Heavy barrel, shrouded ejector rod, and adjustable sights.

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#11833531 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: MOGC]
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Originally Posted By MOGC
I've carried K, L and N frames on a duty belt. I'll take a K-frame every time. The M66 or M19 with the Remington .357 reduced velocity 125's @ 1,250 fps, the 145 gr. Winchester Silvertip or .38 Special 158 gr. LSWC-HP +P works just fine.
Now that makes a lot of sense. If you were to carry a BUG and chose the Colt Cobra/Agent, then you could use the same speedloader even.

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#11833667 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
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S&W M65. 4" For uniform. Round butt 3" for street clothes.

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#11833709 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: husqvarna]
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Originally Posted By husqvarna
S&W M65. 4" For uniform. Round butt 3" for street clothes.
And a Model 60 for undercover. There ... now it's three.
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#11833808 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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Model 10

Model 19

686.

No debate is viable in my mind.




Dave

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#11834644 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: deflave]
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Originally Posted By deflave
Model 10

Model 19

686.

No debate is viable in my mind.




Dave


I could be happy with those.
Bob

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#11834669 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
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For uniformed work, a 5" Model 24 .44 Special would be at the top of the list.

That said, for off duty, there is one .44 out there that most are unaware of.

Back in the 1980s there was an outfit called ASP. Among other things, they used to do conversions of Ruger Speed Six and Security Six revolvers to .44 special.

That would be extremely hard to beta in my eye. The only thing I dislike is the fixed sights on the converted Rugers, but I would imagine that it would not be too tough to set up a Speed Six with some adjustables.


For a BUG, pocket carry, the J Frame is still the gold standard in my book.
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#11834934 - 02/17/17 Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
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Yes, Armament Systems; Paris Theodore was the designer of the ASP revolver and auto pistol. Most think of the chopped S&W 39, but the .44 security six was first.

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#11835036 - Yesterday at 03:31 AM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
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post some pictures of yourself as a swat medic, EMT, security officer, private detective or anything else you have pretended to be or currently pretend to be.

Maybe a picture of yourself at the twin towers as you recounted you were there just before the attack.

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#11835256 - Yesterday at 06:09 AM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
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"Best" can mean a lot of things...

Best for general departmental issue for your "average" one size has to fit most officers from 5' females to 6'5" Trooper types would be the S&W Model 65 .357 Magnum in the 4" square butt or 3" round butt configurations. Light enough to be carried all day, stainless steel for low maintenance, no adjustable sight to break and aftermarket grips that can be had to fit just about everyone's hand.

This was the issue gun when I worked for Rochester PD and the .38 Special version, Model 64, was the issue in Dallas. Both issued the same ammo...the .38 Special 158 grain LSWC-HP +P.

The difference between the two departments however was that in Dallas once you qualified with the city issue you could then go buy your own handgun, revolver or semi, qualify with it and carry it along with whatever ammo you wanted to. You could then pick your own "best". In Rochester the only thing you could change were the grips.

"Best" for me...

While in Dallas I carried all N-frames:
29-2 6.5" .44 Magnum
29-2 4" .44 Magnum
57 4" .41 Magnum
58 4" .41 Magnum
57 4" .41 Magnum
24 3" .44 Special

If I was back on the street today I would carry a 57 or 58 with Federal 190 grain VitalShok loads. If limited to a "newly made" revolver it would be a Ruger GP100 or GP100 Match Master with any 125 grain HP ammo.

Bob
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#11835436 - Yesterday at 07:17 AM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
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Today, if limited to revolvers, I would look take one of those Smith 8 shots
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#11835516 - Yesterday at 07:47 AM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
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today, just about anywhere, the choice would not be available for revolvers, and ammo other than issued. At least around here.
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#11835539 - Yesterday at 07:55 AM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: RJM]
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Originally Posted By RJM
"Best" can mean a lot of things...

Best for general departmental issue for your "average" one size has to fit most officers from 5' females to 6'5" Trooper types would be the S&W Model 65 .357 Magnum in the 4" square butt or 3" round butt configurations. Light enough to be carried all day, stainless steel for low maintenance, no adjustable sight to break and aftermarket grips that can be had to fit just about everyone's hand.

This was the issue gun when I worked for Rochester PD and the .38 Special version, Model 64, was the issue in Dallas. Both issued the same ammo...the .38 Special 158 grain LSWC-HP +P.

The difference between the two departments however was that in Dallas once you qualified with the city issue you could then go buy your own handgun, revolver or semi, qualify with it and carry it along with whatever ammo you wanted to. You could then pick your own "best". In Rochester the only thing you could change were the grips.

"Best" for me...

While in Dallas I carried all N-frames:
29-2 6.5" .44 Magnum
29-2 4" .44 Magnum
57 4" .41 Magnum
58 4" .41 Magnum
57 4" .41 Magnum
24 3" .44 Special

If I was back on the street today I would carry a 57 or 58 with Federal 190 grain VitalShok loads. If limited to a "newly made" revolver it would be a Ruger GP100 or GP100 Match Master with any 125 grain HP ammo.

Bob


That's interesting. Knew you liked the 57, Bob, but didn't realize you favored it that much.

Have a friend who likes them that much, too.
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#11835936 - Yesterday at 10:25 AM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
65BR Offline
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I like the 65LS, ejector shroud, 3" with Pachmayr grips and 145 STs.

A 686 4" is fine, and I miss mine, but heavy.

If not carrying, I would think a 6" 686 would be a formidable piece for quite a distance, though perhaps not as much as say a 657 6" wink

Must say a former 6" SS Python was Bar None the most accurate centerfire handgun I have ever owned and shot save for TC Contenders. It shot like a fine 22, on the money every time any distance. I'd almost bet it would have shot 3-4 MOA if not better.......Yet the Pythons are considered less durable than comparable Smith's.

You can't seem to find anyone who has worn out a GP100 or SP101.....owned the GP, it was a tank.


Edited by 65BR (Yesterday at 10:26 AM)
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#11836380 - Yesterday at 02:19 PM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: GunGeek]
VarmintGuy Offline
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Registered: 05/23/03
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GunGeek: The answer to your inquiry is:

#1: Smith & Wesson Model 66 with 4" barrel
#2: Doesn't matter.
#3: Doesn't matter.

I was issued one of these for more than 10 years and upon retirement bought it for $60.00 from my department.
Long live the Smith & Wesson Model 66 (and the 686 as well).
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#11836458 - Yesterday at 02:50 PM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: SargeMO]
OldRooster Offline
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"The best service revolver was the Model 58"

I agree with this. But not rechambered/barreled. The 41 mag cartridge is the cat's azz.

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#11836582 - Yesterday at 03:43 PM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: OldRooster]
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Originally Posted By OldRooster
"The best service revolver was the Model 58"

I agree with this. But not rechambered/barreled. The 41 mag cartridge is the cat's azz.
It's an awesome man stopping round (in the police loading), but the gun is heavy. Few departments adopted the Highway Patrolman Model 28 for the reason that it was too heavy, unless you're just going to be driving around 95% of the time.
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#11836838 - Yesterday at 05:21 PM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: local_dirt]
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Originally Posted By local_dirt
Originally Posted By RJM
"Best" can mean a lot of things...

Best for general departmental issue for your "average" one size has to fit most officers from 5' females to 6'5" Trooper types would be the S&W Model 65 .357 Magnum in the 4" square butt or 3" round butt configurations. Light enough to be carried all day, stainless steel for low maintenance, no adjustable sight to break and aftermarket grips that can be had to fit just about everyone's hand.

This was the issue gun when I worked for Rochester PD and the .38 Special version, Model 64, was the issue in Dallas. Both issued the same ammo...the .38 Special 158 grain LSWC-HP +P.

The difference between the two departments however was that in Dallas once you qualified with the city issue you could then go buy your own handgun, revolver or semi, qualify with it and carry it along with whatever ammo you wanted to. You could then pick your own "best". In Rochester the only thing you could change were the grips.

"Best" for me...

While in Dallas I carried all N-frames:
29-2 6.5" .44 Magnum
29-2 4" .44 Magnum
57 4" .41 Magnum
58 4" .41 Magnum
57 4" .41 Magnum
24 3" .44 Special

If I was back on the street today I would carry a 57 or 58 with Federal 190 grain VitalShok loads. If limited to a "newly made" revolver it would be a Ruger GP100 or GP100 Match Master with any 125 grain HP ammo.

Bob


That's interesting. Knew you liked the 57, Bob, but didn't realize you favored it that much.

Have a friend who likes them that much, too.



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#11836913 - Yesterday at 05:50 PM Re: Best Service Revolvers [Re: RJM]
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I carried a model 65 that our armorer put a smooth faced trigger in. I added a pair of Herretts Jordan trooper grips and simply shot the daylights out of it. We only issued a .357/125 load and I believe the forcing cone issue to be overstated.

This old revolver tuned itself up and only ever shot better with heavy use. Others reported similar results.
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