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George should move to the Chicago Target Rich West Side and buy a Glock 17 this time

He's been in the news almost yearly since sometimes more often. He done a good thing but is jsut a thug himself!!

I don't think he's a thug, but he sure is a dumbass. The guy can't seem to stop stepping into crap. He was perfectly justified in shooting Martin but he needs to learn to stop putting himself into bad situations and get his act together.

Didn't he try to auction off the gun he used?

" Feel bad for him in a way, but acknowledge his actions led to his situation."

So you think GZ got what he deserved. What actions of his do you believe led to his situation? He didn't do anything illegal or stupid that caused TM to attack him. Did you watch the trial or did you form your opinion based on what you saw or heard from the news media?

I don't think he's a thug, but he sure is a dumbass. The guy can't seem to stop stepping into crap. He was perfectly justified in shooting Martin but he needs to learn to stop putting himself into bad situations and get his act together.

Yep, he followed and reported a suspicious pos in the neighbor. I sure wish more folks would.

Didnt TM say something like "yo azz is mine". When the lead hit him, i wonder if those words crossed his mind.

I don't know if those words did. But that bullet sure did.

If you actually knew anything about what happened before GZ shot TM your opinion might mean something. GZ's best friend at the time was a Federal LEO that had nothing but good things to say about him at the trial. I watched every minute of the trial.

George should move to the Chicago Target Rich West Side and buy a Glock 17 this time

Another vic of the fake news era. George deserves a medal. Hard to believe how many pussy commies frequent this site. Topics like this really bring them to light.

Just another "wanta be cop" either couldn't make the grade or something else, if not a "want a be" he needs to move somewhere and stay inside and s t f u

So what?

when two trainloads of stupid collide...

I watched some of the trial, too.

The minute I heard the verbatim reading for the jury of the Florida "Stand Your Ground" law,

If you had watched the trail you'd know some of the actual facts which are:

1) TM was a trespasser in a gated community and his Dad didn't live there, he climbed a fence to get in.

2) GZ wasn't on neighborhood watch the night he shot TM.

"The facts support that George put himself in a situation that led to an attack"

What facts are those? If you had watched the trail you'd know some of the actual facts which are:

1) TM was a trespasser in a gated community and his Dad didn't live there, he climbed a fence to get in.
2) GZ wasn't on neighborhood watch the night he shot TM. He was coming home from the grocery store and saw TM walking through the front yard of a home that had been burglarized a couple of weeks earlier looking into the windows.
3) GZ pulled over the curb and called 911 to report a suspicious person.
4) When TM realized GZ was watching him he took off running into the darkness telling his girlfriend on his cell phone that "some crazy ass cracka is following me".
5) GM told the 911 operator that TM ran off and he was going go see if he could figure out where he went so he could tell the cops when they arrived. Even though he was armed he had no intention of confronting TM. The dispatcher told him "We don't need you to do that" and testified that they are trained to say that for liability reasons.
6) TM found a dark hiding place only 100yds from the townhouse where his Father's girlfriend lived (they were out partying) and waited in the dark for 10 minutes to confront GM. When he saw GZ he came out of his hiding place and sucker punched him knocking him down. He then got on top of GM and tried to beat him to death.
7) TM was a violent thug, a burglar, a drug dealer/user, and a gun dealer. The sorry judge blocked all the defense's evidence that proved all these things because she did not want an acquittal in her courtroom. TM would have ended up dead or in prison sooner or later anyway. TM's Dad was a gang member in St. Louis in his younger days. He was a Crip or Blood, I don't remember which.

It's not against the law to follow a suspicious person until the cops arrive and I've done the same thing in my own neighborhood. Just because I want to protect my neighbors doesn't make me a "cop wannabe".

Who the f*ck is GM?

Regardless of skin color you need to recognize that Zimmerman represented some level of authority

really?

"I was also under the impression that TM's Dad lived there."

Almost everybody did because that's what the MSM was reporting. I watched the whole trail and then checked the MSM to see what they were reporting about it. The MSM lied repeatedly.

I watched some of the trial, too.

The minute I heard the verbatim reading for the jury of the Florida "Stand Your Ground" law, I knew then and there he couldn't be convicted.

In a room full of liberals, I turned to my buddy and said "If they follow the letter of the law, they can't convict him. The jury cannot return a guilty verdict".

Must of had twenty pairs of stink-eye on me.

please expand

I'm not choosing sides here but I did find this

GZ had no more 'authority' than TM in that situation.

Was it material to Zimmerman's defense whether Martin was a trespasser or invitee?
That's something that could confuse a jury and should have been excluded.

agreed. it is simply an altercation. but if you follow people around in the dark, don't be surprised if you find yourself getting your head smacked on the concrete.

and if you are smacking somebody's head on the concrete, don't be surprised if you get shot.

stupid vs. stupid.

Wrong. Trayvon is a GUEST at his father's house and by extension, in the community. He has NO authority whatsoever, nor any right to trespass and peep in people's houses. Zimmerman was the Neighborhood Watch commander, which may or may not have carried the authority to go wherever he pleased within the community. He was certainly doing the right thing by following and reporting a suspicious character to police. Even without some measure of authority and blessing even by the police, he was being a good neighbor.

Trayvon's actions are the stupid ones, if viewed through the context of what a "regular joe" or "good guy" should be doing. First, a normal person is not out trespassing so as to get followed. Second, if something like this happens, a normal person would get the hell back to his dad's house where he was safe, or call 911 himself, not confront the person following. Third, if contact between the normal person and the follower was initiated, a normal person wouldn't jump the follower and try to kill them-especially after the follower looked and sounded harmless. (Harmless to a normal person out for a walk, though dangerous as a normal person reporting a criminal to the police.)

It's a f*cking typo smart**. Should be GZ (George Zimmerman) like in the rest of my comment.

"doing the right thing" does NOT grant a person a 'level of authority'

GZ, because of his actions, was one good smack from being the loser of this deal. how is that not stupid?

and you do remember the part where the police dispatcher advised GZ to NOT follow TM? he followed TM anyway. how is that not stupid?

GZ was not in his home or place of business.
just being on another street in his own gated community doesnt amount to being in his own residence-dwelling.



JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

776.013 Home protection; use or threatened use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using or threatening to use
defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used or threatened was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered,
a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses or threatens to use defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used or threatened has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder,
and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force
is used or threatened; or
(c) The person who uses or threatens to use defensive force is engaged in a criminal activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further a criminal activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used or threatened is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence,
or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using or threatening to use force
knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is attacked in his or her dwelling, residence, or vehicle has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use or threaten to use force, including deadly force,
if he or she uses or threatens to use force in accordance with s. 776.012(1) or (2) or s. 776.031(1) or (2).
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act
involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it,
including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.

Zimmerman was probably already following Martin a little ways, trying to keep him in sight so he could id where he was at when the cops showed up. As a neighborhood watch Commander, that would have been a duty. He had no duty or obligation to take the advice of some dispatcher, but it seemed from everything I saw and heard that he had discontinued following him immediately or shortly thereafter, when the dispatcher asked him to. Trayvon then circled around or some such, and confronted Martin. Maybe if you weren't so wrapped up in what the communist fake news told you and eager to chug it down, you wouldn't parrot back bs. All we have are one or two eyewitness reports, audio from the police and Zimmerman's own phone, Zimmerman's testimony and statements and Trayvon's girlfriend's statements and testimony. That's quite a bit.

Zimmerman's election to Commander of the Neighborhood Watch DOES give him a modicum of authority, regardless of what you think. Nobody said "doing the right thing" gave him some sort of authority.

Zimmerman probably made some tactical errors. You and others are trying to make out like he did something legally or morally wrong. It's the opinion of the courts he did nothing legally wrong and my opinion he did nothing wrong morally.

The only facts that matter are that Travon assaulted Zimmerman using deadly force and Zimmerman defended himself with deadly force.

Being a guest of a resident didn't give TM the right to walk through another residents front yard (private property) and look into their windows.
TM also assaulted GZ on private property. You are obviously a troll that didn't watch the trail.

Was it material to Zimmerman's defense whether Martin was a trespasser or invitee?

GZ had no more 'authority' than TM in that situation.

It's still self defense, no matter how you cut the cake.

No it wasn't, but some people want to believe he was trespassing and that such conjecture matters.



Correct., GZ being a self-appointed NH watch person amounts to nothing in granting him any exclusive authority or powers.




Nobody here argued that it wasn't SD, but it certainly wasn't a SYG situation as covered in Florida law statutes.

Again, was it established at trial that TM was deemed as being unlawful and trespassing?
you claim to have watched the trial and have all the 'facts', ..so why can't you answer that???

If George's best friend was an LEO, why would he let George buy a Keltec P11?
I guess it did the deed but.......

agreed. it is simply an altercation. but if you follow people around in the dark, don't be surprised if you find your head getting smacked on the concrete.

and if you are smacking somebody's head on the concrete, don't be surprised if you get shot.

stupid vs. stupid.

Was it material to Zimmerman's defense whether Martin was a trespasser or invitee?
That's something that could confuse a jury and should have been excluded.

Uhh, in case you forgot. It does have a bearing on the case, since the judge decided to read it to the jury in court.

And a gun usually trumps fists.

"Nobody here argued that it wasn't SD, but it certainly wasn't a SYG situation as covered in Florida law statutes."

Nobody said it was a Stand Your Ground situation except the MSM and people like you.

What's the question?