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I guess the First Amendment is going to be used again as support against this kind of intrusive protocol. Well, two can play this game............. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ask-patients-about-guns-court-rules.html
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Personally, I think the court got it right.
If we want Doctors to not ask such questions, we can vote with our feet.
When it comes right down to it,the AMA is a lot more interested in our dallars than our guns.
I used to write none of your business on the form when asked. Then I found a Primary Care Provider which simply does not ask.
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Simple enough just to tell the Doc GFY.
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If the doctor can ask you about guns to "evaluate your medical situation" then it is equally valid for us to ask about how often he takes drug company kickbacks to "evaluate his medical situation."
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"The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that the law does not trespass on patients' Second Amendment rights to own guns and noted a patient who doesn't want to be questioned about that can easily find another doctor."
And a queer can easily find another baker/florist.
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If the doctor can ask you about guns to "evaluate your medical situation" then it is equally valid for us to ask about how often he takes drug company kickbacks to "evaluate his medical situation." I hunt with my doctor, so kind of a moot point. But you can refuse to answer the question if asked, which is what I would do.
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"The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that the law does not trespass on patients' Second Amendment rights to own guns and noted a patient who doesn't want to be questioned about that can easily find another doctor."
And a queer can easily find another baker/florist. Or not fuggin answer! Or Lie! It's none of their business. I don't need a judge to tell what to answer truthfully, or what to not answer truthfully. It's gonna get interesting when someone starts enforcing anything from these questions though.
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I'd guess that any form of refusal to answer will be taken as a “yes” to owning guns. We need a better non-informational reply, or maybe a casual lie to match the illegitimate question.
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Simple enough just to tell the Doc GFY. Yes, the court has ruled that you can in fact tell the doctor to GFY. A better tactic might be to ask the do,"why do you ask?" and then engage him in a debate for 20 minutes or so. That would surely frost his ass, seeing as how time is money, and you just screwed up his throughput for the day.
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"The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that the law does not trespass on patients' Second Amendment rights to own guns and noted a patient who doesn't want to be questioned about that can easily find another doctor."
And a queer can easily find another baker/florist. EXACTLY!
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It may be ruled that they can ask questions, but the more serious Constitutional question about this case is:
Are answers entered into ANY DATABASE?
Who can access that database, and what will they use the information for?
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It may be ruled that they can ask questions, but the more serious Constitutional question about this case is:
Are answers entered into ANY DATABASE?
Who can access that database, and what will they use the information for? That's actually the core issue behind the question. Obama pushed to allow doctors to report patients directly to the background check system to get them banned from buying guns, and also pushed for MediCare and MediCaid to have doctors asked about gun ownership and to report that to the feds. If it's a doctor asking a patient who's in for serious depression (of the "Live isn't worth living any more" variety), that's fine. But if it's government led and government reported - then CONGRESS needs to step up and stop it. Florida should be able to rework it's law to get around this court decision, just remove the part about doctors can never ask and replace it with doctors can never report gun ownership to any government entity.
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And are you sure your wife and young children will do that?
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There is no legitimate medical reason to ask do you own guns. If you say none of your damn business or I don't want to answer that the doctor will most likely make the notation that you probably do have guns in the house. If I am ever asked the question I am simply going to reply no I do not own any guns.
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Ask the Doc if he has a car and which kills more people, those or guns!
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They can ask all they want...
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And are you sure your wife and young children will do that? Don't you talk with your wife? Ask/tell her to say "No" as well. If you have young children, you'll be there when the doctor is examining them. And you will answer that question, not them.
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Ask the Doc if he has a car and which kills more people, those or guns! Doctors kill more than either.
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