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The ideal concealed weapon? #11839544 02/19/17 Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 60,661 Iowa/NW Ontario W wabigoon OP Campfire Kahuna OP wabigoon Campfire Kahuna W Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 60,661 Iowa/NW Ontario What do you think? These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o "May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839552 02/19/17 Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 611 S swag Campfire Regular swag Campfire Regular S Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 611 Your brain.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839571 02/19/17 Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,731 Palmer, Alaska C Cariboujack Campfire Ranger Cariboujack Campfire Ranger C Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,731 Palmer, Alaska The one you have with you. NRA LIFE MEMBER GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS ESPECIALLY THE SNIPERS! "Suppose you were an idiot And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -Mark Twain

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839583 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 18,454 OreGONE G GreatWaputi Campfire Ranger GreatWaputi Campfire Ranger G Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 18,454 OreGONE Glock 19. Perfect combination of reliability, weight, size, mag capacity, sight radius, concealability, etc.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? swag #11839585 02/19/17 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,197 M MikeL2 Campfire Tracker MikeL2 Campfire Tracker M Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,197 Originally Posted by swag Your brain. lots of folks do a great job concealing their brain

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? MikeL2 #11839601 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,902 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,902 Colorado Originally Posted by MikeL2 Originally Posted by swag Your brain. lots of folks do a great job concealing their brain At the nexus of where Grey Man meets Grey Matter. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839603 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 21,682 Alvadore, Oregon B BMT Campfire Ranger BMT Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 21,682 Alvadore, Oregon Noveske Diplomat "The Church can and should help modern society by tirelessly insisting that the work of women in the home be recognized and respected by all in its irreplaceable value." Apostolic Exhortation On The Family, Pope John Paul II

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? GreatWaputi #11839611 02/19/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,483 PaleRider Campfire Regular PaleRider Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,483 Originally Posted by GreatWaputi Glock 19. Perfect combination of reliability, weight, size, mag capacity, sight radius, concealability, etc. Probably about as close as they are going to get as far as covering all of the bases you listed.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? PaleRider #11839621 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,902 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,902 Colorado Originally Posted by PaleRider Originally Posted by GreatWaputi Glock 19. Perfect combination of reliability, weight, size, mag capacity, sight radius, concealability, etc. Probably about as close as they are going to get as far as covering all of the bases you listed. And ugly enough you won't cry if it gets dropped into an evidence bag. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? antelope_sniper #11839624 02/19/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,483 PaleRider Campfire Regular PaleRider Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,483 True dat............

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839637 02/19/17 Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,039 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,039 In the Swamps Pen flares. People do hysterical stuff when shot with one. 1911 for backup. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839679 02/19/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,028 so cal pal Campfire Outfitter pal Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,028 so cal Like glove size, there is NO ideal concealed weapon to suit everyone. It is a very personal choice. And it can even change, over time. "There's more to optics than meets the eye."--anon "...most of us would be better off losing half a pound around the waist than half a pound on our rifle."--dhg

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? pal #11839687 02/19/17 Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 945 USA P PWN Campfire Regular PWN Campfire Regular P Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 945 USA Hi Power Detective.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Cariboujack #11839694 02/19/17 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23,319 Oklahoma OrangeOkie Campfire Ranger OrangeOkie Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23,319 Oklahoma Originally Posted by Cariboujack The one you have with you. This is the correct answer. If you are deterred from taking a concealed weapon with you, for whatever reason, that particular weapon is not "ideal." You have to find suitable weapons (or weapon) you always take with you under any circumstance. Those are the ideal concealable weapons. "All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839696 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 573 Michigan Longhunter_1 Campfire Regular Longhunter_1 Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 573 Michigan Silent and deadly

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? pal #11839709 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,902 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,902 Colorado Originally Posted by pal Like glove size, there is NO ideal concealed weapon to suit everyone. It is a very personal choice. And it can even change, over time. Nothing wrong with owning the "Complete Line", from a quality manufacturer, single stack, compact, full size. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839742 02/19/17 Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,519 Woodland Park, Colorado WyColoCowboy Campfire Tracker WyColoCowboy Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,519 Woodland Park, Colorado Whatever you can effectively conceal and shoot well. For me, a Springfield XD45 "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839746 02/19/17 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 40,179 wasilla ak watch4bear Campfire 'Bwana watch4bear Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 40,179 wasilla ak suicide vest Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?" Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals." MOLON LABE

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? DigitalDan #11839767 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 21,682 Alvadore, Oregon B BMT Campfire Ranger BMT Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 21,682 Alvadore, Oregon Originally Posted by DigitalDan Pen flares. People do hysterical stuff when shot with one. 1911 for backup. Somehow I think you are speaking from experience "The Church can and should help modern society by tirelessly insisting that the work of women in the home be recognized and respected by all in its irreplaceable value." Apostolic Exhortation On The Family, Pope John Paul II

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839794 02/19/17 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 17,878 el Norte Tejas gonehuntin Campfire Ranger gonehuntin Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 17,878 el Norte Tejas Chuck Norris leaping off a roof/tree limb/cloud onto my opponent. "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson We are all Rhodesians now.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839797 02/19/17 Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 8,236 bc Canada 673 Campfire Outfitter 673 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 8,236 bc Canada After trying to subdue my opponent without violence, my dukes have been my most ideal concealment, after it all over its not who's right that matters, its who's left.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839800 02/19/17 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,097 Starman Campfire Outfitter Starman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,097 Depends on particular requirement at that time....it could be a knife or even compact ordnance like a grenade,or even a simple garotting wire. You didn't specify anything about a persons skill set, or if its for attack or defence or both, or if its an ordinary civilian situation , or it having to be legal, or it having to avoid collateral damage, or if the requirement is for it to be used in stealth, or if the user even cares about his own survival, If the only condition given is concealment, consider ALL options. -Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839803 02/19/17 Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio kellory Campfire Outfitter kellory Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio "Thoughless" is very fast, out to about 30'. It is a rather heavy blade and throws almost without trying, hence the name. https://d3axvdqkyu09xk.cloudfront.net/attachments/img_20150203_161520359-jpg.32937/ An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool. the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? GreatWaputi #11839812 02/19/17 Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 4,041 Mtns of Va and Wv Troutnut Campfire Tracker Troutnut Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 4,041 Mtns of Va and Wv Originally Posted by GreatWaputi Glock 19. Perfect combination of reliability, weight, size, mag capacity, sight radius, concealability, etc. This ^

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? MikeL2 #11839859 02/19/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 18,033 North Central U.S. gophergunner Campfire Ranger gophergunner Campfire Ranger Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 18,033 North Central U.S. Originally Posted by MikeL2 Originally Posted by swag Your brain. lots of folks do a great job concealing their brain I don't know why but this made me think of Maser. Did you guys see he's back on here? molɔ̀ːn labé skýla

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839860 02/19/17 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 912 Ohio K kenoh2 Campfire Regular kenoh2 Campfire Regular K Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 912 Ohio More laws stating that people are not allowed to do bad things to me.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? antelope_sniper #11839861 02/19/17 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 58,975 Next to the dump that Del Shan... 12344mag Campfire Kahuna 12344mag Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 58,975 Next to the dump that Del Shan... Originally Posted by antelope_sniper Originally Posted by MikeL2 Originally Posted by swag Your brain. lots of folks do a great job concealing their brain At the nexus of where Grey Man meets Grey Matter. Why does it always have to be about color? Depends on what your doing, for me most of the time it's a 1911, other times its a raven 25. Last edited by 12344mag; 02/19/17. Paul "I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D. Trump Won!, Sandmann Won!, Rittenhouse Won!, Suck it Liberal Fuuktards. molɔ̀ːn labé skýla

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Longhunter_1 #11839953 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,321 Lk. St. Clair C coyotewacker Campfire Regular coyotewacker Campfire Regular C Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,321 Lk. St. Clair Originally Posted by Longhunter_1 Silent and deadly Michigan law on carrying a knife..... "MCL § 750.226 § 750.226. Firearm or dangerous weapon; carrying with unlawful intent. Sec. 226. Carrying firearm or dangerous weapon with unlawful intent-Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than 2,500 dollars." Last edited by coyotewacker; 02/19/17.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839964 02/19/17 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 67,667 N. Central Florida, and Miami Mannlicher Campfire Kahuna Mannlicher Campfire Kahuna Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 67,667 N. Central Florida, and Miami I try to have with me, as big and as powerful, accurate and reliable piece as I can. Often this means tailoring your clothing to accommodate a specific hand gun. Most of the time I have with me, a .45 Springfield XDS. Often though, it will be a CZ 75D PCR or a Glock 19, full sized 1911, Commander sized 1911, two inch barreled .38 S&W, three inch barreled .38 S&W, 4 inch barreled K frame .357, or................. Well you get the picture. Sam......

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11839973 02/19/17 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 151,008 Texas hanco Campfire Savant hanco Campfire Savant Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 151,008 Texas A big dick

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840225 02/19/17 Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 12,192 Northern Colorado Tracks Campfire Outfitter Tracks Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 12,192 Northern Colorado Blue tape.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? swag #11840239 02/19/17 Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 Kpt.,TN , Montgomery, Co, VA bea175 Campfire 'Bwana bea175 Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 Kpt.,TN , Montgomery, Co, VA Originally Posted by swag Your brain. not many are armed very well in this country A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840256 02/19/17 Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA Originally Posted by wabigoon What do you think? Many point to the Glock 19 fitting the bill, but I have that and a 17, and always opt for the 17 due to superior shooting characteristics. Perhaps counter-intuitively, I also find that it carries slightly more comfortably, due to spreading pressure against the skin over a slightly larger surface area, thus reducing pounds per square inch pressure. The 19 does, however, conceal slightly better, due to the slightly shorter butt frame, yielding two rounds less magazine capacity. The slide length difference means little in terms of concealability when carrying IWB, but it does represent a slight reduction in shootability for the 19 vs the 17 due to the shorter sight radius. The longer grip frame on the 17 is also superior for shooting vs the 19.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? OrangeOkie #11840286 02/19/17 Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA Originally Posted by OrangeOkie Originally Posted by Cariboujack The one you have with you. This is the correct answer. If you are deterred from taking a concealed weapon with you, for whatever reason, that particular weapon is not "ideal." You have to find suitable weapons (or weapon) you always take with you under any circumstance. Those are the ideal concealable weapons. Which is why the Glock 43 occasionally gets the nod, but the 17 is my choice more than 99% of the time. I find I skip the 19 right over, though, between the the 43 and the 17. I guess if I could only have one, it might be the 19, due to it's more middle position between those two, however.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? GreatWaputi #11840297 02/19/17 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,484 Western NY State 22250rem Campfire Outfitter 22250rem Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,484 Western NY State Originally Posted by GreatWaputi Glock 19. Perfect combination of reliability, weight, size, mag capacity, sight radius, concealability, etc. ... I don't carry very often but when I do that's what it usually is.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840320 02/20/17 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,474 Alaska R rost495 Campfire Kahuna rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,474 Alaska Whatever I can conceal. Runs various forms of 1911, snub 357, or various glocks up to the 20... to include a small 380 that ends up being with me all the time, regardless if I have something else or not. Something you have, is better than something you left home. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? kellory #11840369 02/20/17 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by kellory "Thoughless" is very fast, out to about 30'. It is a rather heavy blade and throws almost without trying, hence the name. https://d3axvdqkyu09xk.cloudfront.net/attachments/img_20150203_161520359-jpg.32937/ I'd love to read that sworn statement. Dave Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840373 02/20/17 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by wabigoon What do you think? I have found the single-stack polymer guns like the Shield and G43 to be a near perfect compromise of shoot-ability and conceal-ability. I don't shoot them any worse than a G19 sized pistol and the smaller profile makes them...smaller. Dave Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? coyotewacker #11840377 02/20/17 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by coyotewacker Originally Posted by Longhunter_1 Silent and deadly Michigan law on carrying a knife..... "MCL § 750.226 § 750.226. Firearm or dangerous weapon; carrying with unlawful intent. Sec. 226. Carrying firearm or dangerous weapon with unlawful intent-Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than 2,500 dollars." The guy in the pic just busted ass. He wasn't referring to the knife. Dave Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? 22250rem #11840380 02/20/17 Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA Originally Posted by 22250rem Originally Posted by GreatWaputi Glock 19. Perfect combination of reliability, weight, size, mag capacity, sight radius, concealability, etc. ... I don't carry very often but when I do that's what it usually is.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? 22250rem #11840383 02/20/17 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by 22250rem Originally Posted by GreatWaputi Glock 19. Perfect combination of reliability, weight, size, mag capacity, sight radius, concealability, etc. ... I don't carry very often but when I do that's what it usually is. Perhaps you don't carry often because the G19 doesn't suit you. Dave Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840472 02/20/17 Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 5,171 Texas V victoro Campfire Tracker victoro Campfire Tracker V Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 5,171 Texas With my shirttail tucked in the only pistol that I can carry totally concealed is a North American Arms .22 Mag in a boot holster. With my shirttail out I carry a Glock 27 or a Smith & Wesson Airweight .38 SPL + P.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840483 02/20/17 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho 340boy Campfire Ranger 340boy Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 21,959 Idaho Glock 19 for me as my normal CCW. Sometimes a Keltec P3AT also. "For joy of knowing what may not be known we take the golden road to Samarkand." James Elroy Flecker

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840504 02/20/17 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,865 Medina county OH B bhemry Campfire Regular bhemry Campfire Regular B Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,865 Medina county OH Quote The ideal concealed weapon? If it existed, it would be the size and weight of an LCP at most, hit like a 10 gauge magnum at close range, and kick like a .22 short. Oh, and it would also be easy to grab when you need it, unlike the LCP.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840615 02/20/17 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,682 Northeast Louisiana S Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,682 Northeast Louisiana Cue ball....in a sock! Even birds know not to land downwind!

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? coyotewacker #11840642 02/20/17 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 59,128 WI. R Redneck Campfire Kahuna Redneck Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 59,128 WI. Originally Posted by coyotewacker Michigan law on carrying a knife..... "MCL § 750.226 § 750.226. Firearm or dangerous weapon; carrying with unlawful intent. Sec. 226. Carrying firearm or dangerous weapon with unlawful intent-Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than 2,500 dollars." So, if yer lawful in intent, yer good.. Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69 Pro-Constitution. LET'S GO BRANDON!!!

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840663 02/20/17 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,317 Greater Browningsville, KY shaman Campfire Outfitter shaman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,317 Greater Browningsville, KY Does a Remington 7600 in 35 Whelen on a Whippet mount and 10 round mags count? It hides well under my trenchcoat. For every day use, right now, my Ruger LCR in 357 MAG seems to do it for me. 3 rounds at 3 paces in 3 seconds? No problem. It's what's with me the most now. However, I'm working on shaking out a Ruger SR9 for a backup. Genesis 9:2-4 Ministries Lighthearted Confessions of a Cervid Serial Killer

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Redneck #11840680 02/20/17 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,607 A Quieter Place S shootem Campfire Outfitter shootem Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,607 A Quieter Place Originally Posted by Redneck Originally Posted by coyotewacker Michigan law on carrying a knife..... "MCL § 750.226 § 750.226. Firearm or dangerous weapon; carrying with unlawful intent. Sec. 226. Carrying firearm or dangerous weapon with unlawful intent-Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than 2,500 dollars." So, if yer lawful in intent, yer good.. Unless the arresting officer says different. Then you are voluntarily contributing to the Defense Lawyers' Support Fund. Sometimes it's just hard to read a mind. “When Tyranny becomes Law, Rebellion becomes Duty” Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version) "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840772 02/20/17 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 151,008 Texas hanco Campfire Savant hanco Campfire Savant Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 151,008 Texas Hammer

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? deflave #11840794 02/20/17 Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio kellory Campfire Outfitter kellory Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by kellory "Thoughless" is very fast, out to about 30'. It is a rather heavy blade and throws almost without trying, hence the name. https://d3axvdqkyu09xk.cloudfront.net/attachments/img_20150203_161520359-jpg.32937/ I'd love to read that sworn statement. Dave The OP did not set the perimeters. (Legal:vs: illegal / location/ conditions) But I'll be judged by 12, before carried by 6. In truth, I'd be much more likely to be carrying screwdrivers at the time, and they work well too. https://d3axvdqkyu09xk.cloudfront.net/attachments/img_20150124_095421487-jpg.44932/ Last edited by kellory; 02/20/17. An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool. the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? victoro #11840815 02/20/17 Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne M Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne Originally Posted by victoro With my shirttail tucked in the only pistol that I can carry totally concealed is a North American Arms .22 Mag in a boot holster. With my shirttail out I carry a Glock 27 or a Smith & Wesson Airweight .38 SPL + P. http://www.untuckit.com/

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? deflave #11840851 02/20/17 Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne M Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by kellory "Thoughless" is very fast, out to about 30'. It is a rather heavy blade and throws almost without trying, hence the name. https://d3axvdqkyu09xk.cloudfront.net/attachments/img_20150203_161520359-jpg.32937/ I'd love to read that sworn statement Ninjas have skills....

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840857 02/20/17 Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,868 Illinois I ilikemilitaria Campfire Regular ilikemilitaria Campfire Regular I Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,868 Illinois For me, Colt Defender in .45acp dave

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840915 02/20/17 Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,266 W WoodsStalker Campfire Regular WoodsStalker Campfire Regular W Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,266 XDS .45 with Crimson Trace green. To me that is ideal. The foundation for old age is good memories.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11840985 02/20/17 Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,439 KCMO F Fubarski Campfire Outfitter Fubarski Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,439 KCMO Ol' buggory is such a badass, havin learned the deadly skills of the streets, that the first thing he does is throw a knife to the other guy, just to make it even.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Fubarski #11841007 02/20/17 Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne M Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne Originally Posted by Fubarski Ol' buggory is such a badass, havin learned the deadly skills of the streets, that the first thing he does is throw a knife to the other guy, just to make it even. I knew a guy that brought a knife to a gunfight....

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841021 02/20/17 Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 60,661 Iowa/NW Ontario W wabigoon OP Campfire Kahuna OP wabigoon Campfire Kahuna W Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 60,661 Iowa/NW Ontario Of course, we would not have had a court to worry about, but in Army hand, to hand combat training they taught us to use the best weapon we had. These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o "May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841154 02/20/17 Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 599 Michigan fishnpbr Campfire Regular fishnpbr Campfire Regular Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 599 Michigan my most recent go to concealed carry weapon is a Ruger LC9s

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841160 02/20/17 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 16,610 America OutlawPatriot Campfire Ranger OutlawPatriot Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 16,610 America Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. "Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom." MOLON LABE

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841162 02/20/17 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,063 N Nebraska Campfire Outfitter Nebraska Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,063 I love the Glock 19 but don't plan on trying to conceal it anytime soon. For me, the G43 is as big as I can justify for EDC and that's even pushing it. Biden's most truthful quote ever came during his first press conference, 03/25/21. Drum roll please...... "I don't know, to be clear." and THAT is one promise he's kept!!!

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Nebraska #11841168 02/20/17 Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA Originally Posted by Nebraska I love the Glock 19 but don't plan on trying to conceal it anytime soon. For me, the G43 is as big as I can justify for EDC and that's even pushing it. IWB won't work for your wardrobe?

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841191 02/20/17 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 362 Fairbanks, Alaska B Buck_ Campfire Member Buck_ Campfire Member B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 362 Fairbanks, Alaska Good judgment. Alone in the Fortress of the Bears 70 Days Surviving Wilderness Alaska: Foraging, Fishing, Hunting

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841218 02/20/17 Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 14,133 E earlybrd Campfire Outfitter earlybrd Campfire Outfitter E Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 14,133 I have a glock 42 380 it fits in my back pocket and isnt noticable

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841246 02/20/17 Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,293 Bothell, Washington R Remington6MM Campfire Tracker Remington6MM Campfire Tracker R Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,293 Bothell, Washington Double short barreled exposed hammer shotgun with a sling full of 00 shot I'd rather die in a BAD gunfight than a GOOD nursing home.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? OutlawPatriot #11841336 02/20/17 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. Just what you see pal... Dave Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? kellory #11841338 02/20/17 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by kellory Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by kellory "Thoughless" is very fast, out to about 30'. It is a rather heavy blade and throws almost without trying, hence the name. https://d3axvdqkyu09xk.cloudfront.net/attachments/img_20150203_161520359-jpg.32937/ I'd love to read that sworn statement. Dave The OP did not set the perimeters. (Legal:vs: illegal / location/ conditions) But I'll be judged by 12, before carried by 6. In truth, I'd be much more likely to be carrying screwdrivers at the time, and they work well too. https://d3axvdqkyu09xk.cloudfront.net/attachments/img_20150124_095421487-jpg.44932/ Sure thing, Mr. Dundee. Dave Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? deflave #11841343 02/20/17 Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 33,971 VA 2 SC byc Campfire 'Bwana byc Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 33,971 VA 2 SC Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. Just what you see pal... Dave Hey you can't do that!! Wrong!! Proud to be a true Sandlapper!! Go Nats!!!!

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? byc #11841345 02/20/17 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Hey buddy, you got a dead cat in there or what? Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841358 02/20/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Fubarski #11841395 02/20/17 Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio kellory Campfire Outfitter kellory Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio Originally Posted by Fubarski Ol' buggory is such a badass, havin learned the deadly skills of the streets, that the first thing he does is throw a knife to the other guy, just to make it even. I've been throwing pointy things since I was a child. It is a long time skill. I shoot a bow instinctively, and I hunt small game with a slingshot. It doesn't make me a bad-ass, it makes me a survivor. I took a class last weekend, on civilian response to an active shooter. The emphasis was on unarmed. They were suprised by an improvised weapon choice, and were unaware of a flaw in a technique for preventing a door from opening. (It can be defeated with a paperclip in a couple of seconds). That is still not bad-ass, that is knowledge of the hardware involved. if your only defense involves a gun, without a gun you're just a Target. a friend of mine was in a store when it got robbed not long ago. he has had a CCW for many years but also Had Court business later that day. He never felt more naked, than when the only weapon he could come up with was a can of vegetables. He made some good choices, and mistakes where he failed to think it through. A CCW is new to me, but stacking the deck in legal ways, is not. once I can post some personal pics, I'll post a few I came up with for my mother. she was working on a college campus that would not allow weapons. I had word-of-mouth orders to fill for almost 2 years on one item. (Hand made) An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool. the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841446 02/20/17 Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,635 North Flint Hills O oldtrapper Campfire Ranger oldtrapper Campfire Ranger O Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,635 North Flint Hills What, no shillelagh? Where's flave? https://postimg.cc/xXjW1cqx/81efa4c5 Soli Deo Gloria democrats ARE the plague.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? deflave #11841447 02/20/17 Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 33,971 VA 2 SC byc Campfire 'Bwana byc Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 33,971 VA 2 SC Originally Posted by deflave Hey buddy, you got a dead cat in there or what? FU A'hole. BTW thanks to Kingston and his selfies this thread is closed to me!! His trigger guard actually looks like a used condom…. oh the irony. Proud to be a true Sandlapper!! Go Nats!!!!

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841463 02/20/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... COCKED and LOCKED Originally Posted by byc BTW thanks to Kingston and his selfies this thread is closed to me!! Sounds like you need to tweak your parental control settings. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? kingston #11841471 02/20/17 Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 33,971 VA 2 SC byc Campfire 'Bwana byc Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 33,971 VA 2 SC buwaahahahahahahahahahaaaa….thanks for not showing the cock-ed! And the load!! Take your word for it. Proud to be a true Sandlapper!! Go Nats!!!!

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841484 02/20/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,414 Minnesota J Jerryv Campfire Regular Jerryv Campfire Regular J Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,414 Minnesota Originally Posted by wabigoon What do you think? Trunk Monkey!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8oPVVGYQ40 Jerry Minnesota; Land of 10,000 Taxes

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841531 02/20/17 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 13,004 In the woods... RAS Campfire Outfitter RAS Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 13,004 In the woods... I dont know if it is the best, but works for me. Beretta Nano in 9mm that I keep mega clean and lightly oiled. Now that I practiced....I can put a bunch of rounds center mass on the target, pretty quickly. "...aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one." - Paul to the church in Thessalonica.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841539 02/20/17 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 13,004 In the woods... RAS Campfire Outfitter RAS Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 13,004 In the woods... Oh, wife carries the Ruger LCR in 38. If you are not really, really familiar with a semi-auto pistol, I would recommend a revolver. By familiar, I mean clearing the weapon in the event of it malfunctioning, brass stuck, ect. "...aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one." - Paul to the church in Thessalonica.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? kellory #11841693 02/20/17 Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,439 KCMO F Fubarski Campfire Outfitter Fubarski Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,439 KCMO Originally Posted by kellory Originally Posted by Fubarski Ol' buggory is such a badass, havin learned the deadly skills of the streets, that the first thing he does is throw a knife to the other guy, just to make it even. I've been throwing pointy things since I was a child. It is a long time skill. I shoot a bow instinctively, and I hunt small game with a slingshot. It doesn't make me a bad-ass, it makes me a survivor. I took a class last weekend, on civilian response to an active shooter. The emphasis was on unarmed. They were suprised by an improvised weapon choice, and were unaware of a flaw in a technique for preventing a door from opening. (It can be defeated with a paperclip in a couple of seconds). That is still not bad-ass, that is knowledge of the hardware involved. if your only defense involves a gun, without a gun you're just a Target. a friend of mine was in a store when it got robbed not long ago. he has had a CCW for many years but also Had Court business later that day. He never felt more naked, than when the only weapon he could come up with was a can of vegetables. He made some good choices, and mistakes where he failed to think it through. A CCW is new to me, but stacking the deck in legal ways, is not. once I can post some personal pics, I'll post a few I came up with for my mother. she was working on a college campus that would not allow weapons. I had word-of-mouth orders to fill for almost 2 years on one item. (Hand made) Is this guy Gecko45, or what?

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? deflave #11841796 02/20/17 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 16,610 America OutlawPatriot Campfire Ranger OutlawPatriot Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 16,610 America Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. Just what you see pal... Dave LOL "Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom." MOLON LABE

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Fubarski #11841801 02/20/17 Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio kellory Campfire Outfitter kellory Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio Originally Posted by Fubarski Originally Posted by kellory Originally Posted by Fubarski Ol' buggory is such a badass, havin learned the deadly skills of the streets, that the first thing he does is throw a knife to the other guy, just to make it even. I've been throwing pointy things since I was a child. It is a long time skill. I shoot a bow instinctively, and I hunt small game with a slingshot. It doesn't make me a bad-ass, it makes me a survivor. I took a class last weekend, on civilian response to an active shooter. The emphasis was on unarmed. They were suprised by an improvised weapon choice, and were unaware of a flaw in a technique for preventing a door from opening. (It can be defeated with a paperclip in a couple of seconds). That is still not bad-ass, that is knowledge of the hardware involved. if your only defense involves a gun, without a gun you're just a Target. a friend of mine was in a store when it got robbed not long ago. he has had a CCW for many years but also Had Court business later that day. He never felt more naked, than when the only weapon he could come up with was a can of vegetables. He made some good choices, and mistakes where he failed to think it through. A CCW is new to me, but stacking the deck in legal ways, is not. once I can post some personal pics, I'll post a few I came up with for my mother. she was working on a college campus that would not allow weapons. I had word-of-mouth orders to fill for almost 2 years on one item. (Hand made) Is this guy Gecko45, or what? I went to see what a Gecko45 was, and found this... http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11382062/1 Good lord you bastages are cruel...lol (holy crap) An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool. the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? BMT #11841805 02/20/17 Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,039 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,039 In the Swamps Originally Posted by BMT Originally Posted by DigitalDan Pen flares. People do hysterical stuff when shot with one. 1911 for backup. Somehow I think you are speaking from experience Ya caught me. Gyrojets rock.... I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Fubarski #11841882 02/20/17 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,902 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,902 Colorado Originally Posted by Fubarski Originally Posted by kellory Originally Posted by Fubarski Ol' buggory is such a badass, havin learned the deadly skills of the streets, that the first thing he does is throw a knife to the other guy, just to make it even. I've been throwing pointy things since I was a child. It is a long time skill. I shoot a bow instinctively, and I hunt small game with a slingshot. It doesn't make me a bad-ass, it makes me a survivor. I took a class last weekend, on civilian response to an active shooter. The emphasis was on unarmed. They were suprised by an improvised weapon choice, and were unaware of a flaw in a technique for preventing a door from opening. (It can be defeated with a paperclip in a couple of seconds). That is still not bad-ass, that is knowledge of the hardware involved. if your only defense involves a gun, without a gun you're just a Target. a friend of mine was in a store when it got robbed not long ago. he has had a CCW for many years but also Had Court business later that day. He never felt more naked, than when the only weapon he could come up with was a can of vegetables. He made some good choices, and mistakes where he failed to think it through. A CCW is new to me, but stacking the deck in legal ways, is not. once I can post some personal pics, I'll post a few I came up with for my mother. she was working on a college campus that would not allow weapons. I had word-of-mouth orders to fill for almost 2 years on one item. (Hand made) Is this guy Gecko45, or what? Does he have a single shot 300WM to provide cover fire? You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11841920 02/20/17 Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio kellory Campfire Outfitter kellory Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio Did you ever get inflicted with GunKid? Willing and planning to kill everyone he meets, with a silenced, .22, a barkless Chihuahua, and a Tactical wheel barrel? An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool. the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11842178 02/20/17 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,706 Laurentian Upland Walker Campfire Tracker Walker Campfire Tracker Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,706 Laurentian Upland Kahr P9

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11842598 02/20/17 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,207 VA W WayneShaw Campfire Tracker WayneShaw Campfire Tracker W Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,207 VA Glock 36.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Redneck #11842665 02/20/17 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,321 Lk. St. Clair C coyotewacker Campfire Regular coyotewacker Campfire Regular C Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,321 Lk. St. Clair Originally Posted by Redneck Originally Posted by coyotewacker Michigan law on carrying a knife..... "MCL § 750.226 § 750.226. Firearm or dangerous weapon; carrying with unlawful intent. Sec. 226. Carrying firearm or dangerous weapon with unlawful intent-Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than 2,500 dollars." So, if yer lawful in intent, yer good.. In the field hunting is about the only time.....have a knife with a 3" or longer blade in your vehicle cannot be accessible....

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? WayneShaw #11842687 02/20/17 Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA Originally Posted by WayneShaw Glock 36. With modern 9mm loadings, I don't see the need for a .45 in a concealed carry handgun.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Fubarski #11843490 02/21/17 Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio kellory Campfire Outfitter kellory Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 8,109 Ohio Originally Posted by Fubarski Originally Posted by kellory Originally Posted by Fubarski Ol' buggory is such a badass, havin learned the deadly skills of the streets, that the first thing he does is throw a knife to the other guy, just to make it even. I've been throwing pointy things since I was a child. It is a long time skill. I shoot a bow instinctively, and I hunt small game with a slingshot. It doesn't make me a bad-ass, it makes me a survivor. I took a class last weekend, on civilian response to an active shooter. The emphasis was on unarmed. They were suprised by an improvised weapon choice, and were unaware of a flaw in a technique for preventing a door from opening. (It can be defeated with a paperclip in a couple of seconds). That is still not bad-ass, that is knowledge of the hardware involved. if your only defense involves a gun, without a gun you're just a Target. a friend of mine was in a store when it got robbed not long ago. he has had a CCW for many years but also Had Court business later that day. He never felt more naked, than when the only weapon he could come up with was a can of vegetables. He made some good choices, and mistakes where he failed to think it through. A CCW is new to me, but stacking the deck in legal ways, is not. once I can post some personal pics, I'll post a few I came up with for my mother. she was working on a college campus that would not allow weapons. I had word-of-mouth orders to fill for almost 2 years on one item. (Hand made) Is this guy Gecko45, or what? What I'm talking about is step one in this video. https://youtu.be/6n7Qz4M0BrE If I can get enough slack to gain even 1/4" of air space, I can release that knob from the far side. An unemployed Jester, is nobody's Fool. the only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker, is observation. all the same data is present for both. The rest, is understanding what you're seeing. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11843539 02/21/17 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,355 WA rain forest Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,355 WA rain forest I live in a Seattle suburb with extremely low crime rate. 380 is good enough. 5 miles away are Seattle neighborhoods with extremely high crime rates. 380 in my left hand and 45acp in my right hand. There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? coyotewacker #11843686 02/21/17 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,682 Northeast Louisiana S Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,682 Northeast Louisiana Originally Posted by coyotewacker Originally Posted by Redneck Originally Posted by coyotewacker Michigan law on carrying a knife..... "MCL § 750.226 § 750.226. Firearm or dangerous weapon; carrying with unlawful intent. Sec. 226. Carrying firearm or dangerous weapon with unlawful intent-Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than 2,500 dollars." So, if yer lawful in intent, yer good.. In the field hunting is about the only time.....have a knife with a 3" or longer blade in your vehicle cannot be accessible.... What's the law on hatchets, hammers, or baseball bats?? Even birds know not to land downwind!

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? kingston #11843692 02/21/17 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,682 Northeast Louisiana S Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,682 Northeast Louisiana Originally Posted by kingston Looks as if you were a LITTLE LATE!! Even birds know not to land downwind!

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11843746 02/21/17 Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2,884 night_owl Campfire Regular night_owl Campfire Regular Joined: May 2006 Posts: 2,884 Two reliable pistols you can shoot well. abusus non tollit usum

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? The_Real_Hawkeye #11843771 02/21/17 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,207 VA W WayneShaw Campfire Tracker WayneShaw Campfire Tracker W Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,207 VA Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye Originally Posted by WayneShaw Glock 36. With modern 9mm loadings, I don't see the need for a .45 in a concealed carry handgun. You just can't replace that sectional density. And kinetic energy.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11843827 02/21/17 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,567 grottoes ,virginia,usa srwshooter Campfire Outfitter srwshooter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,567 grottoes ,virginia,usa What ever you can carry EVERY DAY and its comfortable enough to forget you have it on you. Until you get to that point you will never carry everyday. For me its my g43 in my hide- it- holster and a extra mag in my pocket. Last edited by srwshooter; 02/21/17.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Clarkm #11843841 02/21/17 Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 131,452 USA Originally Posted by Clarkm I live in a Seattle suburb with extremely low crime rate. 380 is good enough. 5 miles away are Seattle neighborhoods with extremely high crime rates. 380 in my left hand and 45acp in my right hand. A decision whether to carry or not might reasonably be based on that analysis, but once the decision is made that the likelihood is high enough to justify carrying a handgun, the probability of victimization doesn't seem a reasonable basis for choice of handgun. If it's going to happen, you are no more more or less likely to need a particular type of handgun vs another based on what the probability was that you'd be victimized. The choice of handgun should be made mostly based on what type of handgun you'd like to have should you need to use it to save your life from an attacker. Secondary factors after that would have to do with comfort and concealability, but those would be fairly distant secondary considerations vs what you'd like to have should you need it, and - once again - the latter seems to me to be entirely unrelated to the probability of victimization.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Sharpsman #11843907 02/21/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... Originally Posted by Sharpsman Originally Posted by kingston Looks as if you were a LITTLE LATE!! That was from the day before. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11843929 02/21/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... WARNING: I Just about stroked-out laughing while watching this video. [video:youtube]VVn0ZV_GKLo[/video] Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? kingston #11843975 02/21/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by kingston WARNING: I Just about stroked-out laughing while watching this video. [video:youtube]VVn0ZV_GKLo[/video] LMAO! That fruit definitely has a shillelagh... and a vacuum-sealed pistol in his shower.... Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? WayneShaw #11843990 02/21/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by WayneShaw Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye Originally Posted by WayneShaw Glock 36. With modern 9mm loadings, I don't see the need for a .45 in a concealed carry handgun. You just can't replace that sectional density. And kinetic energy. Wayne, I respectfully disagree. On sectional density, that can be matched to the common .45 ACP loads with common 9x19 loads. The 9 may not quite make the top end .45ACP KE numbers, but they are certainly capable of getting into the same ballpark as most .45ACP loads. If you are talking momentum, then yes, I agree because there is no replacement for mass in that equation. That said, the 9x19 covers a lot of bases today, and especially firepower when threats are more likely than ever to be in multiples and damned well armed. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11844183 02/21/17 Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 12,192 Northern Colorado Tracks Campfire Outfitter Tracks Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 12,192 Northern Colorado I've changed over the years from from 1911 45 to a gun very few people like, carried in a rig most people despise. A 92Fs in a shoulder holster. It's slow to get out, but is very well hidden. Because it hides so well I'm more likely to be packing I'm not going to win at quick draw contest, but if I survive to get it and the spare mags I'm going to raise hell with 46 rounds of 9mm.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11844537 02/21/17 Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 2,082 WhiteTail48 Campfire Regular WhiteTail48 Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 2,082 Rohrbaugh 9S, 9mm

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? kingston #11844544 02/21/17 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,355 WA rain forest Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,355 WA rain forest Kingston, I want one. I think that is a full sized stainless Colt 1911. I am going to buy one. I already have everything else in the picture. There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Tracks #11844683 02/21/17 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,902 Colorado A antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,902 Colorado Originally Posted by Tracks I've changed over the years from from 1911 45 to a gun very few people like, carried in a rig most people despise. A 92Fs in a shoulder holster. It's slow to get out, but is very well hidden. Because it hides so well I'm more likely to be packing I'm not going to win at quick draw contest, but if I survive to get it and the spare mags I'm going to raise hell with 46 rounds of 9mm. If you need to come down this direction, might want to throw a couple extra loaded mags in the vehicle as well. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11844720 02/21/17 Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,936 Georgia M Mgw619 Campfire Regular Mgw619 Campfire Regular M Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,936 Georgia I keep a Ruger LCP tucked between the seats in my truck. You'll shoot your eye out

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11844733 02/21/17 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,355 WA rain forest Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,355 WA rain forest I had a Kel-Tec 3AT, which is just like a Ruger LCP in my pocket for years, and handed it to my friend to deliver the coup de grace to a buck antelope. It did not fire. There was too much pocket lint inside. I took out the magazine, pulled back the slide, and blew out a huge ball of lint. Then he killed the antelope with it. I now check firearms for pocket lint, especially the P3AT and LCP. There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11844756 02/21/17 Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,936 Georgia M Mgw619 Campfire Regular Mgw619 Campfire Regular M Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,936 Georgia Need to check mine for french fries You'll shoot your eye out

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Mgw619 #11844762 02/21/17 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 21,682 Alvadore, Oregon B BMT Campfire Ranger BMT Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 21,682 Alvadore, Oregon Originally Posted by Mgw619 Need to check mine for french fries Met a woman who carried three J-frames--hip, purse, and ankle. She. DId not like reloading. "The Church can and should help modern society by tirelessly insisting that the work of women in the home be recognized and respected by all in its irreplaceable value." Apostolic Exhortation On The Family, Pope John Paul II

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11844784 02/21/17 Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,936 Georgia M Mgw619 Campfire Regular Mgw619 Campfire Regular M Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,936 Georgia 15 Shots ought to do it You'll shoot your eye out

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? BMT #11844789 02/21/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... Originally Posted by BMT Originally Posted by Mgw619 Need to check mine for french fries Met a woman who carried three J-frames--hip, purse, and ankle. She. DId not like reloading. Octapussy Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Mgw619 #11844791 02/21/17 Joined: May 2011 Posts: 56,257 Oregon Fireball2 Campfire Kahuna Fireball2 Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2011 Posts: 56,257 Oregon I carried this .38 Super for a few days this last weekend. I can't say I enjoyed the weight, but I enjoyed the thought of it. _______________________________________________________ An 8 dollar driveway boy living in a T-111 shack LOL

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11844801 02/21/17 Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,936 Georgia M Mgw619 Campfire Regular Mgw619 Campfire Regular M Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,936 Georgia If you're gonna carry something that size, why not a 45.. seems like much more thought enjoyment. You'll shoot your eye out

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? 4ager #11844972 02/21/17 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,207 VA W WayneShaw Campfire Tracker WayneShaw Campfire Tracker W Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,207 VA Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by WayneShaw Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye Originally Posted by WayneShaw Glock 36. With modern 9mm loadings, I don't see the need for a .45 in a concealed carry handgun. You just can't replace that sectional density. And kinetic energy. Wayne, I respectfully disagree. On sectional density, that can be matched to the common .45 ACP loads with common 9x19 loads. The 9 may not quite make the top end .45ACP KE numbers, but they are certainly capable of getting into the same ballpark as most .45ACP loads. If you are talking momentum, then yes, I agree because there is no replacement for mass in that equation. That said, the 9x19 covers a lot of bases today, and especially firepower when threats are more likely than ever to be in multiples and damned well armed. A friend of mine used to carry a 1911 with 200 grain loads. He practiced daily at his house, shooting into some sort of backstop he had made. One day he changed and shot some 230 grain loads and was amazed at how much more noticeable the impact that extra 30 grains made on the backstop. You can try and explain away penetration or whatever with a 9MM, but it aint gonna have the same effect on what receives the bullet. Sectional density is a result of the diameter of the bullet, you can't match SD with a smaller bullet. Energy comes from weight and size. Yes they are heavier to carry than a 9MM, that's why I carry the Glock and not a 1911.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? WayneShaw #11845006 02/21/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by WayneShaw Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by WayneShaw Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye Originally Posted by WayneShaw Glock 36. With modern 9mm loadings, I don't see the need for a .45 in a concealed carry handgun. You just can't replace that sectional density. And kinetic energy. Wayne, I respectfully disagree. On sectional density, that can be matched to the common .45 ACP loads with common 9x19 loads. The 9 may not quite make the top end .45ACP KE numbers, but they are certainly capable of getting into the same ballpark as most .45ACP loads. If you are talking momentum, then yes, I agree because there is no replacement for mass in that equation. That said, the 9x19 covers a lot of bases today, and especially firepower when threats are more likely than ever to be in multiples and damned well armed. A friend of mine used to carry a 1911 with 200 grain loads. He practiced daily at his house, shooting into some sort of backstop he had made. One day he changed and shot some 230 grain loads and was amazed at how much more noticeable the impact that extra 30 grains made on the backstop. You can try and explain away penetration or whatever with a 9MM, but it aint gonna have the same effect on what receives the bullet. Sectional density is a result of the diameter of the bullet, you can't match SD with a smaller bullet. Energy comes from weight and size. Yes they are heavier to carry than a 9MM, that's why I carry the Glock and not a 1911. Your friend was witnessing differences in momentum. Mass always makes a bigger difference there than anything else. Momentum is a function of mass times velocity (m x v). Kinetic energy is a function of mass times velocity squared (m x (v x v)) Sectional density is a ratio of mass to cross-sectional area. The formula is weight in pounds divided by the diameter in inches squared. SD of a .452" 230 grain bullet is 0.161. SD of a .355" 147 grain bullet is actually slightly higher at 0.167. Matching sectional density between one caliber and another is pretty easy as it is a ratio. What cannot be matched is mass. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11845477 02/22/17 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,207 VA W WayneShaw Campfire Tracker WayneShaw Campfire Tracker W Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,207 VA Well, your SD numbers may be correct, but in the real world, there is a reason the US adopted the 45 long ago. The "let's be nice" 9MM thing has seen it's day. Are we not going back to the 45?

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? kingston #11871608 03/03/17 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,355 WA rain forest Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Clarkm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,355 WA rain forest Originally Posted by kingston I went looking for one of those Wednesday, but all they had was 38 Super, and i wanted 45acp. So I got these There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11871725 03/03/17 Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 8,085 Deep in the Timber Bwana_1 Campfire Outfitter Bwana_1 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 8,085 Deep in the Timber I've got to find a holster I like, especially in the summer.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11871742 03/03/17 Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 60,661 Iowa/NW Ontario W wabigoon OP Campfire Kahuna OP wabigoon Campfire Kahuna W Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 60,661 Iowa/NW Ontario After handling a few, and then handling some more, I'm leaning toward the S&W Shield, but still mulling. These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o "May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Clarkm #11871749 03/03/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... Originally Posted by Clarkm Originally Posted by kingston I went looking for one of those Wednesday, but all they had was 38 Super, and i wanted 45acp. So I got these Let me know if you want me to send you a couple rolls of electrical tape for those 49 Colt grips. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Bwana_1 #11871775 03/03/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... One of my favorite warm weather setups. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? wabigoon #11871854 03/03/17 Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 8,085 Deep in the Timber Bwana_1 Campfire Outfitter Bwana_1 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 8,085 Deep in the Timber I gotta get one of them, you must be a Pro.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? kingston #11871970 03/03/17 Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,377 Midwest acooper1983 Campfire Tracker acooper1983 Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,377 Midwest Originally Posted by kingston One of my favorite warm weather setups. from the INGWE spring collection? I kill chit. "The Heathens nest"

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Troutnut #11872009 03/03/17 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 M Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 Originally Posted by Troutnut Originally Posted by GreatWaputi Glock 19. Perfect combination of reliability, weight, size, mag capacity, sight radius, concealability, etc. This ^ Yep.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Magnumdood #11872036 03/03/17 Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,999 Billings, Mt and proud of it ... Bigbuck215 Campfire Outfitter Bigbuck215 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,999 Billings, Mt and proud of it ... Ruger LC9s is very easy to conceal where it can be dug out quickly and if I ever have to do it, it won't be for just one shot. The Mayans had it right. If you�re going to predict the future, it�s best to aim far beyond your life expectancy, lest you wind up red-faced in a bunker overstocked with Spam and ammo.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Longhunter_1 #11876668 03/05/17 Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,960 Wilmington NC BountyHunter Campfire Regular BountyHunter Campfire Regular Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,960 Wilmington NC Originally Posted by Longhunter_1 Silent and deadly and illegal in many states. NO CCW authorizes that!

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? deflave #11876702 03/05/17 Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,960 Wilmington NC BountyHunter Campfire Regular BountyHunter Campfire Regular Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,960 Wilmington NC Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by wabigoon What do you think? I have found the single-stack polymer guns like the Shield and G43 to be a near perfect compromise of shoot-ability and conceal-ability. I don't shoot them any worse than a G19 sized pistol and the smaller profile makes them...smaller. Dave True, damn few people can carry a full size Glock or anything that size without "printing" in the summer. Plus a hell of a lot more comfortable to carry all day. I am carrying one of mine at all times. I have a Kahr P9, shield 9, 442 for in the pocket and summer shorts is Kahr 380. My truck always has a M&P 357 Sig and house has several other fullsize M&Ps. All the 9s are loaded with Federal 147 HST ammo. Sig has HST also Most important is go rent a couple and see which one fits your hand the best and easiest to shoot. This is clipped on my right pocket. https://www.amazon.com/Columbia-River-Knife-2900-Assisted/dp/B0033HF4CQ Very sharp, slasher extroidinair, easy to use, quick to get to, will get about 6" penetration also. Small enough no major legal issues just about anywhere. Inexpensive enough to lose once in a while too. Last edited by BountyHunter; 03/05/17.

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? BountyHunter #11876791 03/05/17 Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,039 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,039 In the Swamps Perfect old fart tool.......... I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: The ideal concealed weapon? Mannlicher #11876935 03/05/17 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,665 Either Texas or Idaho E EdM Campfire 'Bwana EdM Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,665 Either Texas or Idaho Originally Posted by Mannlicher I try to have with me, as big and as powerful, accurate and reliable piece as I can. Often this means tailoring your clothing to accommodate a specific hand gun. Most of the time I have with me, a .45 Springfield XDS. Often though, it will be a CZ 75D PCR or a Glock 19, full sized 1911, Commander sized 1911, two inch barreled .38 S&W, three inch barreled .38 S&W, 4 inch barreled K frame .357, or................. Well you get the picture. Damn Sam, like cast iron pots and pans... Conduct is the best proof of character.