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Pretty interesting.

This is in my area, so I'm paying close attention.

Sometimes we have LOTS of buzzards here. I've seen 250 or more feeding on a single dead hog. Guess they ran out of patience and started killing cattle and calves.

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Johnny Friedel, 73, of Hochheim, had cattle in DeWitt County on more than 700 acres. About five years ago, he lost about 70 cattle to vultures. He went through the permitting process and was allowed to kill 100 vultures that year.

The permit lasted for about a year. Friedel might get another one because he has been having problems with vultures recently.

When he got the permit, federal officials came out to survey his problem and taught him how to build a trap to catch and kill live vultures.

Finding his cows dead was devastating to him.

"It wasn't a pretty sight. We were right next to a buzzard roost. It was a radar tower or some transformer," he said.


https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/2017/feb/19/vultures-kill-calves-during-birthing/


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Are these the Turkey Vultures?


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We have both down here.

Turkey vultures and black vultures.

Usually, I see more black ones.


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Vultures were targets of opportunity until the Feds started protecting them.

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The feds protect many, many things that they shouldn't.

I think the moral of this story is to not let them roost close to your place.


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So, rockinbar, are both vultures killers?

Here, the turkey vultures seem to be scavengers.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
So, rockinbar, are both vultures killers?

Here, the turkey vultures seem to be scavengers.


I've personally not seen them kill cattle. I can see how they would during calving if they don't have enough to eat, and there are lots of vultures.

I have seen turkey vultures kill newborn lambs before.

I think the black vultures are more aggressive.


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The problem here is not with the turkey buzzards, but the black vultures. They are much more aggressive than the turkey buzzard. I had them try to get on a baby calf last year, and shot a couple of them. The rest left and I didn't have any problems after that.

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A Canadian friend told me he blames the loss of a white fluffy cat on a bald eagle.


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I remember I had a great uncle who ranched up by Whitney Tx. Close to Brazos river. He had a "buzzard trap" up on one of them old baldy hills. He raised a lot of mohair goats. He'd trap a bunch of buzzards and get in trap and beat hell out of em all with a cedar fence stay.

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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
I remember I had a great uncle who ranched up by Whitney Tx. Close to Brazos river. He had a "buzzard trap" up on one of them old baldy hills. He raised a lot of mohair goats. He'd trap a bunch of buzzards and get in trap and beat hell out of em all with a cedar fence stay.

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That'd be worth the price of admission! grin


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by kaywoodie
I remember I had a great uncle who ranched up by Whitney Tx. Close to Brazos river. He had a "buzzard trap" up on one of them old baldy hills. He raised a lot of mohair goats. He'd trap a bunch of buzzards and get in trap and beat hell out of em all with a cedar fence stay.

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That'd be worth the price of admission! grin


Yeah I had a cousin that would tell The absolute funniest story about his session of buzzard killin' with Uncle Ernest! LOL


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I wonder how many fawn deer are killed by eagles/vultures have you guys ever seen that?

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Originally Posted by 673
I wonder how many fawn deer are killed by eagles/vultures have you guys ever seen that?


Fawns killed by eagles, yes.

Not found any evidence that vultures have killed one though. I'm sure they have.. just not run across it.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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I wonder how many fawn deer are killed by eagles/vultures have you guys ever seen that?


Fawns killed by eagles, yes.

Not found any evidence that vultures have killed one though. I'm sure they have.. just not run across it.

Thanks for the info, never thought about it before but it makes sense if they take out calves.

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Must be killing new born calves. I don't see them able to kill a cow or a calf that has been around for a few days.

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As if I don't have enough to worry about between mountain lions, Bobcats, coyotes, Ravens, feral dogs and now vultures

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Originally Posted by stantdm
Must be killing new born calves. I don't see them able to kill a cow or a calf that has been around for a few days.


My neighbor lost several calves last year to the black vultures, aka "Mexican Vultures". She said that they will watch a cow calve and shortly after birth, fly down and peck it's eyes out. With no ability to see, they die pretty quickly since they can't find the cow.

I looked into getting a permit to shoot them for her but discovered that, while I could get the permit fairly easy, I could only use a shotgun and I had to turn every carcass over to a district station that was set up to take them. Apparently, not all APHIS stations are.

According to the website, the closest one to me is Albuquerque, NM.
So much for that idea as it's a 12 hour drive one way to Albuquerque.

Someone once told me about SSS, so I passed that along to her.

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Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
I looked into getting a permit to shoot them for her but discovered that, while I could get the permit fairly easy, I could only use a shotgun and I had to turn every carcass over to a district station that was set up to take them.



You can get a permit here through Farm Bureau. Not sure how it works as most farmers are like me....they use the SSS permit.

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Ed too many letters described it perfectly. I know of at least one calf that was killed by vultures or Ravens that way. Nature can be very cruel.

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