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Agree completely.

"They're just as good as" is the common thing I hear from guys buying cheap crap, then later wondering why their DPMS/Bushmaster/mossberg doesn't run right.

Going cheap is a false economy, if you actually plan on shooting more than a couple hundred rounds a year through an AR.

When you get one from a company with decades of experience building guns for the military (Like FN and Colt) odds are the little extra you spent will result in a higher likelihood of having a rifle that will continue to run for a long period of time.

And most claiming "just as good as" have nothing to compare the cheaper ones with.

It's always funny when someone's eyes are finally opened...

Some people's stinginess prevents them from ever truly getting their eyes fully opened.

MM

And the other stingy ones realized its not rocket science and have assembled their own since the 80s without any issues. LOL.

You can generally almost never go wrong with respected brand names. Thats a given.

The flip side was years ago before all the options I bought a colt RE above comments, IE buy known.. and then took it apart and put all the service rifle stuff on it to compete. Had a colt lower and buttstock left, and a few of the internals, but new trigger. Had a colt upper left, with FA and dust cover and flash hider left.

Just made no sense at the time.

But now, there are so many good ready to roll options by good names and thats good.

And the cheap stuff, well you takes your chances..... my nephew has had good luck with some of the cheap stuff, even to the point of accuracy. Others not so much.

Back in the day we had Colt,Armalite, BM and Oly along with a few others but that was about it for a factory gun.

Colt went through a period or periods where their QC didn't exist.

Today's Colts have been refined just not much interest in match guns so it depends on what you're after. I can feel the difference from the pull of the charging handle to the recoil impulse on my 6920.

But then going full custom with better parts makes a difference too. Quality just doesn't come at entry level prices.

Oly, that just still gives me shivers. I'd forgotten about them. The only factory gun I've ever had issues with.

Sorry to remind you of them. Seen lot's of problems with them.

Hell you and I would have nothing to talk about if all there were is oly and colt.....

For anyone interested the name of the 3 pound trigger was Dark Sky.

If you want to stay with a single stage on a budget, I highly recommend the JMT Tactical Saber. Very nice cassettes unit with a pull around 3.5 #'s, minimal creep and includes both set screws and antirotation pins for install am deathly runs $100. It's not on par with the high end Elfs and Geisselles but my example is better then anything I have tried under $200.

Do you really think there's that much difference between triggers? Most of what I've seen is feature differences that are more a matter of preference than any real "shootability" difference.

In terms of results on target for 95% of shooters I do feel there is a potential advantage myself included. For the maybe 5% of the premier shooters out there that can make any gun shoot to its full potential all the time, well then probably not.

There is definite differences in design, looks, feel etc which of course leads to personal preferences and if a guy believes in his weapon he is likely to shoot it better in my experience. I do agree that most "advantages" are more perceived then real world.

That said, those with above average abilities can shoot just about any weapon more then adequately.

I've shot winning scores at Perry with a malfunctioned M1A trigger that we hit with a strip of emory, and I shot for 2 weeks at over 8 pounds...

I've lost with finely tuned barely passing weight triggers too.

Good shooters overcome.

That said, there is NO doubt its easier to shoot with a finely tuned trigger. No doubt at all.

As to feel, I also think that there is a personal ton of difference there... not that you can't get used to whatever, see all the I can't shoot 2 stage threads and well.... they are WRONG.

Yeah, Mallard Addict, but don't you think that just about all these aftermarket triggers that are better than the "tuned" GI triggers are pretty darn good?

Just seems to me like what Jeff said... any 2-stage under 6ish lbs or single stage under 4ish lbs and relatively crisp can't be all that bad.

I just really haven't got hold of what I'd call a "bad" aftermarket match trigger. I think I could shoot pretty good with about any of them. I'm not a big fan of "roll" triggers, but I'll bet most people could even shoot those.

You'd be amazed at what you can learn to shoot well.

Not that I enjoy the feel of some types of triggers, but what the hey, we just both got used to a glock 20 recently here.... can kill deer at 50 yards pretty easy with it now too with irons... its sure not a 1911 trigger.

Hmmm...how did I miss my favorite discussion! I've learned over the years that triggers are a tremendously personal choice. My preference is crispy two stage triggers. The trigger that delivered that the best is the KAC aka Stoner. Beyond that, they all can be good. I've won stuff with an RRA and with a Geiselle.

I know of some shooters way better than me that like what is commonly called a "roll trigger". Miles of creep. Like I said it's a personal choice.

I've had a bad aftermarket trigger. My first AR trigger was a CLE (There were only two choices at that time, and Charlie was backordered and stopped answering his phone). That trigger was unpredictable bordering on unsafe. I like Frank White, and I like anything else he makes...but not his triggers.

We've come a long way since then. There was a time when I could speak with first hand knowledge about near all of the aftermarket options. I don't think I get to first base even nowadays. These are great times for AR trigger choices.

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